windshirt with more volume

I’m always a large and my Arc’teryx Squamish was very loose.

Edit: Oh and my “Fauxdini” aka fake Jack Wolfskin in XXL has a loose enough too short fit, I doubt the they have a 3XL but it’s possible.

The other Paul S here…

+1 to the Squamish. My large, my usual size, is plenty roomy but not baggy.

I am skinny and the sqamish had a super baggy boxy fit, it was ridiculous on me. I think it would fit what you are looking for,

Black Diamond Alpine Start fits true to size with enough room to layer beneath. Large size has 28″ length in back.

I wore a medium Houdini when I owned one. I now prefer the Squamish in a size small. Still longer in the torso than a Houdini for me with more room  to layer. Better shoulder articulation, better hood, cuffs, etc.

It sounds like the houdini is too slim fitting for him. The alpine start is much slimmer than the houdini.

thanks for all the recommendations folks!

Justin, I found the opposite: Alpine Start seems a little roomier than the recent Houdinis (pre-2014 were baggy), and the stretch makes it feel more so. The Houdini felt very tight in the chest and shoulders to me. The Alpine Start cut is still a little closer in these areas than a traditional athletic cut, but the Houdini fit me like a sports bra in the chest.

I’m going try the Arc Teryx Squamish (I ordered one) and see if that works for me.

Faced with the same dilemma I now wear my fleece over the windshirt. Base layer first, then windshirt and then the fleece if needed. My base layer is a full sleeve merino blend or a full sleeve synthetic.

So on a chiily morning I might start hiking with the fleece on. If/when I warm up I’ll just peel off the fleece and stuff it in the pack. This has the additional benefit of not needing to take off the windshirt to get at the fleece.

Of course if it’s still too warm, peel off the windshirt as well.

Faced with the same dilemma I now wear my fleece over the windshirt. Base layer first, then windshirt and then the fleece if needed.

Seems like a perfectly good solution. Any reason why this wouldn’t work so good? Other than the wind shirt on top being able to shed a little more moisture on misty days?

There’s a thread on the topic around here somewhere. My recollection is that windshirt over fleece keeps you warmer because you are having air blow the warmth out of the fleece or something like that.

There’s a system called Cloud layering or something like that. The idea is wear a low CFM wind shirt on over your base layer and under mind layers to maintain a microclimate.

As you switch layers you keep a warm layer of air trapped next to your skin. A fleece mid will breathe better over the wind shirt and not be too hot.

Layering with the windshirt under the fleece works great for variable conditions experienced hiking in the spring/summer/fall over exposed treeless terrain over high passes as in the Sierra – temperatures dropping into the high 20s and 30s during the day but accompanied by high winds and gusts.

If rain threatens or the temperature drops lower or if stopped for an extended break, I pull on my rain jacket over the fleece which keeps me very comfortable.

Please note that I use a different layering system for winter travel especially when temperatures can be much lower during the day and winds can be much higher.

+whatever for the Squamish.  Hopefully you be as happy with yours as I have been with mine.

Interesting idea regarding wearing the wind shirt under the fleece.  I’ll try that the next time conditions warrant it.

Squanish arrived today. Score…fits exactly as I like!

It weights 2x the Houdini: 6oz. compared to Houdini 4oz, but the difference negligible.

Thanks for the ideas folks!