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What do you put in cargo pockets?

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Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJul 6, 2020 at 2:57 am

Knickerbockers is a US term, I think.  Here in the UK it’s only used for retro 1930s fashion items. The functional garment has always been called breeches or breeks.

When I was a kid they were pretty much universal in the hills – both in the UK and the continent. Here’s 1960s legend Joe Brown in his breeks.

It wasn’t till the ’70s that people moved to trousers. But for the kind of walking I’m doing, I’m increasingly thinking that breeks have advantages over both trousers and shorts that people have lost touch with – they are a very flexible garment when teamed up with the right kind of rainwear and gaiters. But that’s a different discussion…

Nowadays the fashion has swung so far that it’s hard to find breeks at all. They are still popular with the stalking community, but they are mainly using traditional tweed, which I can tell you from long experience has some major drawbacks. It’s remarkably hard-wearing, but it’s also heavy, uncomfortable and VERY slow to dry. You can also get breeks in traditional moleskin, a heavy cotton fabric which is even slower to dry.

There’s almost nothing in modern technical fabrics, which is why I compromised with the Klettermausens, despite their design quirks. But I can’t really recommend them, even at the sale price. They seem to have been designed for looks rather than function. I also have a pair of breeks in the post from downmarket UK brand Regatta, but they were end of line and I had to buy a womens version, so we’ll see how that goes. If you are searching for breeks in the US, try knickerbokers as you say, and also capri pants and 3/4 pants. Please ping me if you find something functional.

As Roger says, to get what I really want I may have to add tailoring to my rather limited sewing skills and make my own. The main constraint there is finding a suitable fabric.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedJul 6, 2020 at 3:52 am

Breeks are good, no doubt of that. If Joe would wear them, who is to argue?

But I prefer full-length trousers, as the wind does cut through the long knitted socks at times. Oh well.

Cheers
PS: cargo pockets are, imho, useless. As well as being grossly inconvenient.

Edward John M BPL Member
PostedJul 6, 2020 at 5:23 am

Prefer sallopettes myself
Rohan ones where what I had but they didn’t last very well and they had a stupidly short fly zipper

Edward John M BPL Member
PostedJul 6, 2020 at 5:26 am

Geoff can you get nylon taslan locally?
Sews easily, wears well, highly wind resistant and at 45 to 60 GSM reasonably LW
Sometimes was called Anti-Gliss nylon in England; at least while I was there in another life.

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJul 6, 2020 at 6:56 am

Roger – I think there’s a solution for protecting the calves. I’ll be prototyping it soon, and post if it works.

Edward – I still have my old salopettes. Great for climbing, where they play well with a harness. But I don’t use them for walking, as they are too hot around the chest. What do you like about them?

There have been threads here on Taslan – Roger is a fan if I’m remembering right. I’ll try and get a sample to play with. But first I need to learn the skills involved in tailoring a nice pair of breeks – I’m at the start of the learning curve. Have a new house with space for a sewing station, so I’m planning great things :-)

Edward John M BPL Member
PostedJul 6, 2020 at 2:20 pm

I like the fact that they don’t work their way down and that there is no belt line to chafe against the rucks hip belt, I’m also a great fan of full bib&brace overalls for skiing and winter climbing; not that I do any climbing now but I still dream.Knee length gaiters go with the knee length socks to keep out the wind and snow

Mark Fowler BPL Member
PostedJul 8, 2020 at 5:32 am

Hey Geoff, why do you call them “breeks”

Because the Scots can’t say breeches !

I have found that I can remove cargo pockets without too much trouble but I do like one for my photocopied map.

SIMULACRA BPL Member
PostedJul 9, 2020 at 10:38 pm

Geoff. Amundsensports was one of the only companies I could find in my original searches that had anything in technical fabric and looked to function worth a darn. However they are geared for the Antarctic and are heavy due to the insulation. Maybe for mountaineering though. Also the price is something else. There was another obscure European site I had come across. Thought I kept the bookmark, but it’s since disappeared.  Thanks for the description on breeks. To protect my calves I use knee high compression socks. And then rain pants if it gets too bad.

 

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 2:48 am

Hi Simulacra

Yes, I’m aware of Amundsen, and they do make a range of breeks.

But most are in cotton for some odd reason, and their only true technical breek, the Peak, was designed specifically for Antarctic use and has a stretch membrane in the fabric. It also has some of the most intrusive branding I’ve ever seen and costs a jaw-dropping $359, so wasn’t on my list.

I did just get delivery of an end-of-line pair of Capri breeks for $25 by UK mass-market sports brand Regatta. They are pretty decent and will be handy for day-walks. But you do miss the articulated knee you get on the better garments like the Amundsen above – unlike the cargo pockets it’s a genuinely valuable feature and offers more comfort and freedom of movement.

Edward John M BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 6:35 am

It’s not that hard to convert trousers [ or pants for that matter] to breeches. I’ve done it a few time back when army battle dress was what was cheap and serviceable for ski touring. RAAF blue because they were cheaper than khaki but I didn’t know about articulated knees way back then, we just used the cutoff fabric to double the knees

Nick Gatel BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 11:10 am

So can anyone help me make productive use of this type of cargo pocket, seeing as how I’m going to have to live with them?

You all are missing the real and true benefit of cargo pockets, since this is BPL.

If your base weight is 11 lbs you can transfer 1 lb, 1 ounce to your cargo pockets. Thus you are now officially an UL backpacker with all the bragging rights, privileges, and community respect for your elite status. If you upload your gear list to one of the online gear calculators, you gain even more credibility.

jscott Blocked
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 11:27 am

I’ve never been able to understand why anyone would want to have their calves exposed to wind, rain, ticks and mosquitoes? Oh and high altitude sun. And poison oak.

It’s not as if exposed calves are cooling the body to some great extent.

edit: wait, I guess socks cover the calves. Well, mosquitoes can’t bite through the nylon pants I wear; they can bite through socks. etc.

But I understand that comfort is individual.

Nick Gatel BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 11:58 am

Some of us wear shorts most of the time. Much better than hot sweaty trousers. Apparently pants are underwear to Brits.

Brad W BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 12:07 pm

Only thing I carry in pockets now is phone in front right and electrolyte tube in rear or left.  Feels so much better not having junk in my pockets swing to an fro while hiking.

HkNewman BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 3:38 pm

Nothing really, as falling through some hip deep snow (“surprise postholing”) 4 years back my cargo pocket scraped against rock and ripped half the seams.  This exposed the pocket of my wallet, which now resides elsewhere.

Think some extra maps, extra gloves, etc.. wouldn’t be too bad as they’re light but big enough not to fall through any gash. YMMV.

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJul 10, 2020 at 6:04 pm

Turns out I may have found a use – my windshirt fits quite well. You look like you have some strange disease though, with a most unfortunate swelling.

Why breeks? Well that’s a long discussion. But in short, they’re better than trousers when it’s hot, and better than shorts when it’s cold or buggy. Unlike with shorts, you don’t risk sunburned thighs – something I experienced once and don’t want to go through again. They are less faff than trousers when fording streams, and the bottoms don’t get soaked and muddy when you’re bashing through bog. With the right combination of socks, lightweight gaiters and rain-pants they can be comfortable in a wider range of conditions than either shorts or trousers. The more I experiment, the more I wonder why they fell out of fashion in the hills.

In the last week here in the Lake District I’ve sweltered in heatwave conditions, and battled a sleet storm in 60 mph winds. You can easily experience both extremes on the same trip. For European conditions, flexibility is important!

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJul 11, 2020 at 6:37 am

William – thanks for the heads-up. Annoyingly, Raidlight don’t seem to offer them in the UK.

One of the reasons they are so hard to find is the range of names they go under. I’ve seen:

  • Breeches
  • Breeks
  • Capri
  • 3/4
  • Knickerbockers

And probably others I’ve forgotten. Now Raidlight make up a new term – Long Short Pants – just to make them almost impossible to find. Sheesh…

I wonder what else is lurking out there under a name dreamed up by some over-creative marketing genius.

PostedJul 11, 2020 at 7:11 am

They’re available on the Raidlight UK website, if you’re happy buying without trying them on.

Free delivery and returns.

 

Now Raidlight make up a new term – Long Short Pants – just to make them almost impossible to find. Sheesh…

I wonder what else is lurking out there under a name dreamed up by some over-creative marketing genius.

:)

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedJul 11, 2020 at 5:27 pm

Thanks William.

You did well to find the Raidlight Long Shorts on the UK site – they decided not to show them on the browse for men’s clothing, nor the filter for men’s pants, nor include them in the search results, so I missed them.

https://www.raidlight.com/uk/men/trail-clothing.html

They have clearly decided that giving them an incomprehensible name and hiding them on the website is the way to build a cult following of illuminati…

Clearly my years studying ecommerce conversion have been wasted – I bow to their superior marketing genius!

Edward John M BPL Member
PostedJul 11, 2020 at 5:47 pm

Try
Knee length pants.
Boot length trousers
Below the knee shorts
Plus twos, Plus fours, although those are usually for golf and only in awful plaids and checks

SIMULACRA BPL Member
PostedJul 14, 2020 at 11:11 pm

Why breeks? ..in short, they’re better than trousers when it’s hot, and better than shorts when it’s cold or buggy.  ..They are less faff than trousers when fording streams, and the bottoms don’t get soaked and muddy when you’re bashing through bog. With the right combination of socks, lightweight gaiters and rain-pants they can be comfortable in a wider range of conditions than either shorts or trousers. The more I experiment, the more I wonder why they fell out of fashion in the hills.

All true statements. That being said, I still just wear shorts with the same type of modular system stated above by Geoff. Since they’re so hard to find, I’ve settled with the Patagonia Venga knickers. But only use during the colder, dryer parts of the season, they aren’t waterproof.

 

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