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What binding for 145 Altai HOK

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PostedFeb 17, 2021 at 1:41 am

Hello,

having moved to a place where there is a winter with snow (Southern Finland) I promptly got myself a pair of Altai Hoks 145 for ski-shoeing in the snow.  The skis came with universal bindings.  In the forest and breaking trail these bindings are fine, but on more groomed trails they seem to be a bit floppy in terms of support and control, especially because I have light boots.

Given that:

1) I have little experience skiing

2) I use the skis on flat-to-rolling terrain (no mountains, just some undulations, at times quite steep but short)

what kind of binding do people suggest, 3 pin or NNN-BC?

I am more drawn to NNN-BC, but I read they are not as sturdy as 3 pin bindings (I can be hard on my gear), and they requires a plate to install, which acts as a raiser (and I have no idea if having a raiser would be bad or good for a novice like me, or in general).  Any advice would be great so I would get new boots/bindings next winter.

Ian BPL Member
PostedFeb 17, 2021 at 7:14 am

I tried the universal bindings once and found it to be a miserable experience on a tight trail and in trees.  I couldn’t get up on an edge to turn in them no matter how hard I cranked them down.

I don’t have any experience with three pin.  I’m able to turn well enough with my other skis that have NNN BC bindings, and since I already own compatible boots, that’s what I’m going with.

Here’s a link to the adapter plate

https://us-store.altaiskis.com/product/adapter-plate/

Jenny A BPL Member
PostedFeb 17, 2021 at 9:01 am

I have used both 75mm and NNN-BC bindings on backcountry skis but have not tried an approach ski like the Hok.  For something that wide underfoot, I would definitely lean toward a free-pivot 3-pin binding like the Voile Switchback paired with a boot like the Alpina Alaska or plastic Scarpa T4.

You might post your question in some ski forums like Telemarktalk.com.  Out of curiosity I searched “best binding for Altai Hok approach ski” and found some useful suggestions.  Have fun!

Ken BPL Member
PostedFeb 17, 2021 at 11:20 am

I have tried both the universal and 3-pin bindings on 125 cm and 145 cm Hoks. The universals are convenient for use with a wide variety of boots. For example, if I’m doing a mixture of skiing and walking. However, I think the 3-pins provide much more control than the universal bindings and overall a better experience, particularly with the longer 145 cm length. A disadvantage of the 3-pin binding is that the selection of 3-pin boots is limited (at least in my location) and the boots available today tend to be heavier. I don’t have much experience with NNN-BC because I grew up with 3-pin and that’s what I continue to use with the Hoks. Even though manual 3-pin bindings are now “dated,” they are simple, rugged, virtually impossible to fail, and I think they are ideally suited to the Hoks. There is of course no release mechanism, which some might consider a disadvantage on extreme terrain, but I probably wouldn’t use the Hoks on that type of terrain anyway. The adapter plate for NNN-BC bindings will raise your boots slightly above the skiis, but the difference isn’t that significant compared to the height of the boot sole. However, in my opinion, the Hoks are a little too wide for NNN-BC bindings.

PostedFeb 19, 2021 at 8:03 am

I just got some Voile 3  pin cable binding and some 75 mm boots on ebay (the 3 pin binding seems to have gone practically extinct in Finland, which has switched en masse to NNN apparently — I blame the skinny skis!).  Thanks to all for the advice, it was much appreciated!

Ian BPL Member
PostedFeb 19, 2021 at 4:25 pm

Not my thread but thanks Ken and Jenny.  I’m rethinking my trajectory and may just go with the three-pin as well.

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