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UL Firepan/Grill (River Regs)

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DirtNap BPL Member
PostedApr 12, 2026 at 5:59 pm

I’m heading out on a packrafting loop in the Ruby Horsethief drainage outside of Fruita Colorado on Thursday. Heading down Rattlesnake Arches trialhead, down the Colorado, ditching the boats and spending 3 nights in the Mee Canyon drainage, then back to the river and out Knowles Canyon. We’ve been ticking off packrafting loops on both the Colorado and Green for the last 8 years, connecting canyon systems etc.

On many of the flat water sections of the Colorado and the green like Ruby Horsethief, Labyrinth and Stillwater, river regs say that you have to have a fire pan with at least 1.5″ of sidewall and 12″ square. They require this whether there is a fire ban or not. The thought is that in an emergency you may need to warm yourself or a companion up real quick. I used to laugh at it until one of my friends got stuck in silty quicksand after exiting his boat on the Green when we did a loop in the Maze a few years back. It was really scary, surprised the heck out of all of us, he was terrified and nearly hypothermic by the time we got him unstuck. Warmed him by a fire in our “turkey pan” and learned a valuable lesson for even flatwater floats. You really should have one.. Also, although I’ve never had a check down on these sections by a ranger, I would hate to get caught. I also just want to figure out some ultralight fire pans for general usage. It would also be very useful for mountain trips so we don’t make any new fire rings, keeping the spirit of LNT.

The classic move is to bring a turkey pan, scrunch it up and bring it like many regs have allowed. Of course you’re lucky if it lasts one burn and it’s usually a total melted mess after one use. Seeing as there’s nothing on the market I figured I would do my best to make a river reg compliant fire pan with a practical sidewall height, more durable materials and still keep it ultralight. The stated goal is to get it to last for 10 burns which is for me is probably a few years.

So I bought this stainless steel tool wrap. 10ft by 20″ for $60. Sort of pricey but way cheaper than titanium and good for 5 or 6 different prototypes. It’s a heat treating foil used for tempering in the knife trade. It’s 321 stainless (good to 1600f as it has titanium in its alloy makeup) and it’s a pretty hefty foil material. My hope is to get it to last 10 to 20 burns instead of one, and also to keep it as lightweight as possible. The weak points in this design is The gradual fatiguing of all of the foldable joints. What I found with this 321 tool wrap Is that it really doesn’t fatigue much at all, I discovered that while I was punching my rivet holes. It took sometimes 30 or 40 cycles to break off tags of the material. Promising stuff.

Although I have multiple designs for an ultralight fire pan, I opted for a fairly simple one. Imagine a “present box” top. They come flat packed in multiples. Basically a pan that has 45° angles on all corners that you fold shut, The only difference is that you fold it in half to reduce its size for storage

I traced out a box shape and left 3/4 of inch of tag on the ends so that I could secure the corners with rivets. Seeing as I had no flat-faced rivets to deal with, I simply punched quarter inch holes in the corners. I then cut small coins off of a quarter inch aluminum rod. Then I just pounded the hell out of them to set.

The end result is a 15.5 inch by 12.5 in firepan, plenty big to do actual fire on. As in it’s a real fire pan, not a dinky tiny thing and It checks all the boxes for river regs. I then store it in a 13×10 tyvek envelope.


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It weighs 3.49oz and 3.9oz with the tyvek envelope. Lighter than a crappy turkey pan.

As a bonus it works great with my Widesea 16″ titanium grill. Seeing as I don’t really bring grillable items on trips with my packraft (there’s already a ton of weight on my back), it should come handy for my summer mountain trips with lots of fishing. Total weight with grill is 8.6oz.

As anybody who does a lot of pack rafting knows, there’s a ton of weird regulatory stuff that you have to deal with on the permit side if you’re on a number of western rivers. Wag bags, throw bags, fire pans. Every reg is a bit different, So I’ve been trying to lighten my load as much as possible m

I’ll report back after my trip next week to see how it holds up.

DirtNap BPL Member
PostedApr 24, 2026 at 6:24 pm

All right I’ll keep barking into the void here. Just got back from our loop in the Black Ridge Canyons wilderness and had ample opportunity to use the fire pan due to the friggin BLIZZARD 🥶 that greeted us on the put in day on the plateau. Woke up to 19 degrees on the thermostat and a cold, quiet snowstorm.

After packing up the truck for the 1.2 mile drive to the Knowles Canyon trailhead, the sun came out and turned the roads into diarrhea. So we stopped driving and hiked from there. Main issue was the psuedo technical trail features for the drop into Mee Canyon. Couldn’t really do them with mud and snow, but by the time we reached the “Birth Canal” arch you climb through to a rickety ladder, and “the ledge”, the snow had melted off although it was a still cold.

Down in Mee the temps dropped and there was snow on the ground. We used the fire pan 3 times on our trip and it held up great. Each fire was blazing hot with no melting and in fact a pretty cool rainbow effect on the metal. No fatigue holes at all. The material seems to be very ductile and resisting bending  fatigue well.

My goal of 10 burns in this 3.5oz marvel might be possible.. It worked so well I’ll bring this little puppy on many (all?) of my cold walks. It’s a great safety feature and it really saved our bacon on this trip. By day 3 of 7 the weather turned gorgeous.

Didn’t see a single soul in either canyon and only a few sets of prints in each, except for the low canyons where river day trippers day hike up a bit. Our way too short packraft on the Black Rocks section of Ruby Horsethief was beautiful and we saw the only people of the week on that section. Colorado was running at a tragic 1900cfs (sad face, going to be a rough season).

Some pics:

 

Alex H BPL Member
PostedApr 25, 2026 at 5:35 am

That is awesome both the pan and the trip!

DirtNap BPL Member
PostedApr 25, 2026 at 9:40 am

Thanks guys! I’ll keep updating with little tweaks and maybe even some other designs I have. I love the concept of working with fire and leaving zero, and I mean zero trace.

DirtNap BPL Member
PostedApr 25, 2026 at 9:53 am

I should clarify that we shortened our loop due to shuttle logistics. The original loop had us dropping down from the rim at Rattlesnake Arches, floating about 18 miles, stopping at Mee, ditching the boats and exploring Mee then on to Knowles and out.

With the storm rolling in, we couldn’t justify the 3 hour total shuttle in Glade Park/Black Ridge Road (opens on 4/15 every year because of its legendary crappiness). Would have been an absolute fiasco with the snow and mud. So we shortened it and gained more time in the spectacular Mee drainage at the cost of a longer overland to the drop in Mee. Really glad we did it that way because Mee really needs to be seen top to bottom, basically 3 different canyon environments, each more gorgeous than the last. And the obstacles you read about the Mee Canyon drop in are actually really fun problems.

The usual Kelsey beta route has you going clockwise: down Knowles and up and out of Mee, but that includes a brutal thwack along the river between canyons. We reversed it so we could float the Colorado in between, saving time and lots of energy. Turned out to be really short (5 miles) and the use of packrafts debatable in utility, but I’m glad we schlepped the boat gear down. Black Rocks is a really pretty stretch of river to see.

Rough shot of the route. We deleted the upper red part of the “W” and added the blue overland into Mee.

AK Granola BPL Member
PostedApr 26, 2026 at 11:29 am

Seems like something you could manufacture and sell to others doing these trips.

Ben Perry BPL Member
PostedApr 27, 2026 at 9:17 am

Great trip report. I’ve always wanted to walk and paddle the exact same route, since I never seem to have enough time to day hike up Mee from camp on the river to the alcove and arches. Someday.

The fire pan is really interesting. I generally take the smallest aluminum cake pan allowed under whatever river’s regulations. The positive is that it fits perfectly in the bottom of a dry bag and takes up virtually no space. The negative is that if you actually need it under emergency circumstances (as the OP’s experience suggests) it barely holds enough fuel to get the job done. Having something that’s virtually the same size as my heavy duty Partner Steel fire pan that weighs mere ounces is a compelling thought.

Let us know how many burns you are able to get out of it.

DirtNap BPL Member
PostedApr 27, 2026 at 10:52 am

Ak Granola: Agreed! Working on a few different concepts and I’ll keep updating this thread.

Ben Perry: most of my beta came from either river campers or a few dedicated souls who have done the route. It would be an all day epic to see the entire canyon from the river camp. We did 3 nights in Mee, went slow and explored a lot of side canyons (though not all). The big dream was to find a side canyon that “went” to the east rim so we could explore the upper arches (Sam Minor arch et al) from the Mee gorge, but no dice on finding a break in the blocking rock layers. There was one possible sketchy out near the river that we were too tired to check out. If there’s access, you could loop the rim, see the arches and return down canyon and vice versa. The alcove is really a site to behold, nothing like it.

Main question was availability of water in the driest year in history. Glad to report that there’s consistent water in sections for both canyons, a little spotty towards the river, so bring some flocculant. We flocced/filtered the Colorado to be safe as we had spotty water beta in Knowles. Turns out we could have drawn from dozens of small pools in the canyon, but you can’t be too safe. I’m sure a ton of the pools were do to the earlier blizzard, so YMMV, but I feel confident saying water is good in spring. Fall could be a completely different story, so all cautions, bet even then the upper canyons SHOULD have water. Mee has a great sources spring, similar to a mini “Showerbath Springs” in Kanab creek and probably goes all year with a nice but scrubby pool mid canyon.

Also, a note that the snowmelt turned the creek in upper Mee to white chocolate milk for 24 hours and WATER WIZARD DID NOT FLOCCULATE the fine pudding. There’s a first time for everything I guess. Thankfully it cleared within 24 hours.

Cheers!

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