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Stefan H BPL Member
PostedMar 27, 2026 at 10:00 am

<p style=”text-align: left;”>I wanted to start a new thread about UL containers for stuff like oil, fuel, instant coffee…</p>
I got a bunch of the 6oz and 8oz Twist pouches from Kinde. That covers almost everything powder or liquid at .3oz each, super cheap.

Twist

What Ide like to find is crazy light 2oz-ish containers for coconut oil and some dangerous hot sauce paste. Best I’ve seen is .5oz weight. I bet somebody here can beat that. Could be a squeeze tube, balm tub, maybe there’s a tiny baby food container?

It’s the little things. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Mark Verber BPL Member
PostedMar 27, 2026 at 3:02 pm

litesmith is the easy online answer. If you have a Daiso in your area, they typically will have cheaper options.

Stefan H BPL Member
PostedMar 28, 2026 at 5:49 pm

Wow that was easy. Saves me from scouring the grocery store for odd solutions. Thanks all. How on earth have I never heard of this site.

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedMar 28, 2026 at 9:43 pm

I would like to flag a warning here.

I have been using Nalge squat jars (eg 2116, 2117 series) for a lot of things in my pack. I have tried using them for spicey dried tomatoes in oil. The tomatoes make an excellent ‘spicy tomatoes and rice’ dinner – at home. The Nalge jars are advertised as having a leak-proof lid. Certainly, testing at home confirms the leak-proofness: no drips at home.

(Jargon interruption: ‘Nalgene’ seems to be the brand used by Nalge Corp for the outdoors market, especially for water bottles of all colours. ‘Nalge’ seems to be the brand name used for the laboratory market. I, and I think several other backpacking research scientists, woke Nalge up to the potential of the outdoors market for their plastic ware many long years ago. The sales rep was fascinated, and reported back to HQ.)

But if I package some oily dried tomatoes into a square Nalge jar at sea level (ie at home), then take the jars up to our alpine region at 1,800 m (~6,000′), disaster ensues. The oil leaks everywhere. (OK, the containers are usually double bagged for this reason in practice.) What is happening?

Without any pressure differential, the Nalge seal works fine. However, experience shows that air can leak very slowly past that seal under a high pressure differential. I note that one or two other brands of plastic lab-ware have actually dropped the ‘leak-proof’ claim in recent years. But when the seal is holding olive oil, one finds oil rather then water seeping past under the high pressure differential.
Simplified version: the Nalge seal leaks at high pressure. They were not meant for that.

Cheers

Stefan H BPL Member
PostedMar 29, 2026 at 2:38 pm

<p style=”text-align: left;”>Ah that’s a good consideration. And a good case for using a little pouch. Coconut oil is super thin and when it’s liquid it’s good at finding a way. I think I will get a 3.5oz baby food pouch. Can’t build pressure and that tiny orifice should seal dependably. I will keep all those inside my BOT can in the pack. The chipmunks would learn some bad words if I got oil on a down sleeping bag.</p>

AK Granola BPL Member
PostedMar 29, 2026 at 3:25 pm

Since liquid makes things heavier (and more leak-prone), how about trying to dehydrate your favorite hot sauce? dry and then powder it, then add water in camp. Or start with powdered ingredients and mix until you have a delicious combination for a hot sauce? As to oil, I have tried a few different containers that all work until you use some, and then somehow there’s always a drop or two that ends up outside the bottle that makes everything oily. It’s like that pink stuff in the Cat in the Hat; it just ends up on everything. The packets are the worst but even little nalgene type bottles eventually get icky the longer the trip. Whatever you do, double bag any liquid!

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedMar 29, 2026 at 5:02 pm

Thank goodness for Gemini.  It explained what the pink stuff was in the cat in the hat.

I have read the book but didn’t remember.

Maybe that was all just an hallucination.  There was never really any pink stuff.  It was all just imagined.

I was just reading that any interpretation of a book is okay, even if the author didn’t intend that.

Ed F BPL Member
PostedMar 31, 2026 at 2:18 pm

I don’t use containers for oil/fats anymore. Works with lard too. I use a recipe from Molecular Gastronomy to turn these into a clumpy powder with Tapioca Maltodextrin. (it works ONLY with Tapioca Maltodextrin)

http://www.molecularrecipes.com/techniques/converting-high-fat-liquids-powder/

http://www.molecularrecipes.com/transformation/olive-oil-powder/

I also turn this clumpy powder into “Crumbs’ by frying them.

http://www.molecularrecipes.com/transformation/oil-crumbs/

Just make sure it doesn’t get in contact with liquid or the powder/crumbs will start melting before you can serve them. Add more Tapioca Maltodextrin to get it to the consistency you want.

I store in a small ziplock and add the powder/crumbs to any meal. Also you can pop the crumbs into your mouth any time you want.

Tapioca Maltodextrin is super water soluble and dissolves the moment it contacts liquid, and you are left with pure oil/fat.

This doesn’t change the weight of the oil/fats and adds minuscule grams (the Tapioca Maltodextrin) and also adds about 5 Calories and 2 grams sodium per 5 grams of Tapioca Maltodextrin.

Hope this helps

Megan W BPL Member
PostedMar 31, 2026 at 3:10 pm

Ed f!

You may have just revolutionised my olive oil transport system 😊. Can’t wait to test it out.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedMar 31, 2026 at 3:28 pm

DEET is like that.  It likes to get out of containers.  But it dissolves some plastic so it’s worse than oil.

Double bag it.  I think polyethylene won’t dissolve in DEET

Stefan H BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2026 at 6:24 am

I’ve seen hot sauce powder for sale. That’s a great idea to powder some of the scary hot liquid sauces. It will be funny when I open that little jar of powder at altitude and mace myself. I got some homemade weapons grade paste from a sketchy dude at a swap meet. I serve it with a toothpick. 1/2oz will actually last me a week.

Coconut oil is the sneakiest liquid I’ve found. I’m going to store it in a pouch, in a Vargo BOT.

Solidified liquid oil. Mind…blown. If that’s not a brilliant April fools joke, it’s going to take me a minute to wrap my head around that and the potential applications.

David D BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2026 at 2:16 pm

Ed, reading the recipe it looks like the Tapioca Maltodextrin is 20% of the total mix with olive oil.  Does that sound right?  It’ll be lighter to carry (no bottle), but a bit of weight penalty in ingredients

Is there any risk of high humidity activating the powder?

Ed F BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2026 at 2:46 pm

David D

Try 20%. I’ve gone to 40% depending on texture you want. Oil is the same. you’re just adding Malto grams… I just add whatever seems to ‘clump the best’ for me. I always start with 1 oz oil/fat and go from there. And it’s not a liquid, subject to leaking…

The easiest for me is fry it into ‘Crumbs’. Haven’t had a prob with humidity (I live in Vancouver, BC) nor heat. Just keep in a (small) ziplock and mostly eat the crumbs on their own or with my meals/snacks.  The Malto is sweet, at first, and then just oil. I generally don’t add to my dehydrated meals – too much oil to clean in my pot.

Experiment before for what’s good for you.  If high humidity does react with your mixture you’ll still have the fat/oil in your ziplock bag. I have a whack of duck lard (homemade Chinese bbq duck) so will bring some ‘Duck Crumbs’ on my  next hike, late May to early July. I don’t use it as much as before, in my meals, as all my meals are 1600 to 2200 Calories, high-fat and high protein and my snacks range from 550 to well over 1000 calories. (again high fat and protein)

cheers

AK Granola BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2026 at 2:57 pm

“Maybe that was all just an hallucination.  There was never really any pink stuff.  It was all just imagined.”  – All of Dr Seuss is like that, hallucinatory. Makes you wonder…

So all these people eating this maltodextrin mixed with whatever: does it taste good? The heaviest food is the stuff you bring and don’t eat. Or worse, rehydrate and then be unable to eat it and have to carry it wet.

David D BPL Member
PostedApr 1, 2026 at 5:47 pm

Thanks, Ed.  I have 3 trips coming up in the next 8 weeks and a T&T Chinese duck meal in the freezer, you’re giving me some good new ideas.

Bertolli makes an easy to find “extra light taste” olive oil with a nice mellow flavour.  I use a lot of olive oil as a calorie bump and this makes it much more pleasant by not dominating the flavour of the meal

Marcus BPL Member
PostedApr 2, 2026 at 8:37 pm

I squeezed Costco Pesto into a plastic flask and it held tight until Day 3 of the hike. (Costco pesto is very oily). No pressure differential as long as you squeeze out any extra air from the bag.

They come in 8-32oz sizes and are pretty durable. I’ve never had a leak or failure with water, oil, or alcohol in them, but am also smart about what they’re packed against / protected by.

The disposable plastic soft flask also makes reliable UL liquor containers as intended.

I feel bad about the single use plastic aspect, but for something stable like oil or liquor they can be reused several times.

A 32oz is only ~1.5oz and the 8oz are well under 1oz.

 

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Terran BPL Member
PostedApr 3, 2026 at 3:15 pm

All of Dr Seuss is like that, hallucinatory. Makes you wonder…

Grow up reading Dr. Seuss and they expected us to turn out normal😎

Stefan H BPL Member
PostedApr 3, 2026 at 9:58 pm

Dude the idea of pesto just blew my mind. That’s gotta be up there for uber dank coloric density. That’s why I log in here, that’s so good.

Well I am not quite so picky about invincible seal because I put all my kitchen leaky stuff inside a Vargo BOT. Not sure why this isn’t a no brainer for kits, considering exactly this problem. I could save 3oz on the pot, but dang BOT opens doors to save weight elsewhere. Far less need to stress about a bit of leakage. It’s still entirely possible but if it’s upright I don’t anticipate issues. Maybe it makes more sense for wood fires, that’s all I do.

So I found one lighter. I had the Twist 6oz for .3oz. I like this 3fl oz better for oil and hot sauce. But we shall see.

 

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedApr 4, 2026 at 7:17 am

I’ll note that Nalgene bottle have a seemingly great design with a V-shaped groove within the lid that pinches down on the top lip of the bottle.  Seems like a great design and someone probably patented it.  But that leaves little micro-passages from inside to outside with no ability to hold back pressure, oils leak out with minimal pressure – 0.1 atmospheres (e.g. going from sea level to 4,000) and less.

Water stays inside because the very high surface tensions in small passages resists such modest pressures.  As passage size decrease, surface tension takes off, required very high pressure to overcome,

But what holds in oil in the pressure encounters in, say, an auto engine?  Gaskets.  Squashed between two surfaces.  That’s what PEET soda bottles do.  The lid has a cushy gasket material inside of the cap – it holds back 150 psi (until the body of the bottle rips apart – I suggest wearing good hearing protection).

As practical, free solutions, I’ve used:

The smallest, clear plastic soda bottles (Coke, 7-Up, etc) like an 8-ounce (237-ml) one for olive oil.  Which I bring for a cold lunch of reconstituted tabouli and adding those dense calories to other dishes that didn’t call for it.  I’ve actually never had a problem with more crinkly disposable water bottles, but I feel safer with the name-brand soda or upper-end less crinkly water bottles.

And, outside of every convenience store, there is no end of “5-energy” 2-oz plastic bottles which are quite sturdy, dishwasher safe IME, and free.

There are also lots of “nips” – those little 50-ml bottles of cheap vodka, Fireball Whiskey, etc.  The metal caps are crap (but fine for some powders or spices) while a few with a plastic cap hold pressure just fine.

Also free.  Reduce, Reuse, Recycle!

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