Titanium Mug and Wood Fire

3 ml? That’s a wee bit small.

We use the Snow Peak 600 ml mug and a smaller REI Ti cup on open wood fires with no problems, both of them for many years.

I think that reply may be just a little tongue in cheek?

3mil is 0.003″ Thick enough for using on a fire if it has water in it

Sorry . . . 3 mm :)

Cheers.

Duanne I think you mean 0.3mm. 3mm thick Titanium is almost bullet proof [ almost]

0.3 millimeters is aluminum foil thickness.  3 millimeters is a Ti cup thickness.

300 – 600 milliliters is the average Ti cup size by volume.

Sorry Duane I thought you meant 30 milliliters in your original post as a typo. We have used these cups on fires with no problems but if you keep them on a large, hot fire for more than say – 20 minutes, you may find some slight pitting in the titanium.

0.3 millimeters is aluminum foil thickness. 3 millimeters is a Ti cup thickness.

Could be the total thickness of a double skin cup but not a single skin.

Those double wall cups are not for cooking.

For reference, a Snow Peak single skin mug is 0.4 mm.

A mil is a one thousandth of an inch.

A millimetre (mm) is a thousandth of a metre.

This video should give some ideas of what happens when you cook with those double skin mugs :

0.3 millimeters is aluminum foil thickness. 3 millimeters is a Ti cup thickness.
You have got to be kidding!
Aluminium foil is of the order of 50 microns or 0.05 mm thick. Baking trays will be thicker, up to 0.2 mm for quite heavy stuff.
Ti foil is usually slightly thinner (30 micron, 0.03 mm), while Ti pots are about 0.4 – 0.5 mm thick.

A 3 mm thick pot would be massive.

Cheers

I’ve no strong opinions about foil thickness or the debates surrounding it,  but if I were to only keep one pot, and I wasn’t concerned about melting snow, it would be my Toaks 900ml.  For your parameters, it would then be the Toaks 750ml.

I’ve found it to hit a sweet spot in value, durability, volume, and weight.

Toaks offers a 550ml UL version mug that’s roughly an ounce lighter than their standard 550ml mug.  I own one and would feel comfortable putting it on some coals, although I’ve never tried due to its low volume and boil over.

I’ve owned both Toaks and Evernew pots, and found for my purposes, that Toaks was every bit as good but at a better price point.

I have found the Toaks to be a great value and have used it with fire without issue.

Thank you all for your informed responses, and I apologize for the typos in my first two posts.

Cheers

Toaks UL mug :

This ultralight pot is made of thin titanium material of 0.3mm thickness

https://www.toaksoutdoor.com/products/pot-550-l

I would expect the 1 oz or so heavier non UL version is 0.4mm thick.

I’m sure the 0.3mm pots are fine on a fire. You aren’t going to put them in the middle of a big fire with hot coals….you’ll never be able to get it out again. Which is the main issue I’ve had in the past when playing with fires (in the absence of bushbuddy or similar type wood stoves) and small pots…flame control is difficult, which makes grabbing a smaller pot tricky. If you make a fire as small as possible, eg with really small twigs, you are fine, but then you are constantly feeding it to stop it going out.

Just something to think about…if its worth it…without a stove?

(Suluk46’s new TDW stove looks amazing…)

I’m sure the 0.3mm pots are fine on a fire. You aren’t going to put them in the middle of a big fire with hot coals …. you’ll never be able to get it out again.
Oh Rubbish.
All you need is a small pot lifter. Plenty on the market, and very light too.
For the record, I use an MSR pot lifter: all of 29 g, on any canister stove.

Cheers

I drilled several holes in mine (pot lifter) and lost something like 2g.

What a waste of time that was.

I do have several other pot lifters, but they are all heavier than the MSR one.
One day someone will invent an even lighter one – maybe. But the ROI will be kinda marginal.

Cheers

I have that same MSR pot lifterr.  It’s tough to beat from a weight to performance perspective

48 grams for the Trangia and 36 grams for the original SIGG so the MSR is much lighter, why then don’t I carry it more often? Maybe because the SS pots it came with are so much heavier and I never think about swapping out the lifter to use with my TOAKs stuff

Spondonicles are the answer – good reach into the flames. All older Australian bushwalkers know this to be true.

MUGs are drinking vessels, POTS are cooking vessels.

Cooking in a MUG is akin to wearing a frameless backpack – too extreme by half. (Of course IMHO.)

I use a 3 cup pot, a plastic drinking/measuring cup and a cut down plastic Ziplock bowl that fits inside the pot with the cup. With that small “kitchen” I can actually cook when I want to and have both cereal and coffee at the same time, have spaghetti and sauce cooked separately.

Yes, I do understand the some Philistine backpackers may only need to boil water but even that is nicer with a pot & cup combo. I have a new saying for those Philistines, “Ounce wise and pound foolish.”

“Cooking in a pot is akin to wearing a frameless backpack – too extreme by half. (Of course IMHO.)“

Eric,

Do you actually mean that cooking in a pot is an extreme activity or do I misunderstand?

“Cooking in a pot is akin to wearing a frameless backpack – too extreme by half. (Of course IMHO.)“
I think he meant to write mug instead of pot.

Adam, the “Bushwalkers” use the Toaks 750 with bail for use in the hot coals of their campfires. Easy to put into and take out using the bail. 

http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/zelphs-toaks-ti-750ml-with-bail-handle-kit.php

Franco,

Gotcha.