- Jun 25, 2020 at 3:11 pm #3654670
Forgot to mention, without the alloy frame. I am without pack however. FedEx is on day seven from NJ to CA. No worries. I have plenty of time.Jun 25, 2020 at 5:41 pm #3654700Bill in RoswellBPL Member
@roadscrape88Locale: Roswell, GA, USA
I just want add to Exos comments. I tried one at REI w 20 lbs. It felt good off the bat, rode well, moved with my body. BUT the lack of hip belt pockets, lack of webbing to attach aftermarket pockets was a deal breaker. For me, the point of UL hiking is to have everything handy while on the go. One needs reachable pockets to do that. Osprey lost a lot of opportunity with UL Hikers by failing to do that. It left open the door for cottage firms to take up the slack. Osprey’s UL offering, the Levity, is OK if you stay close to 20 lbs. FWIW, I have several wonderful Oprey packs, all better thought out and tested.Jun 25, 2020 at 5:48 pm #3654701Bill in RoswellBPL Member
@roadscrape88Locale: Roswell, GA, USA
Russ, I’m having the same issue. I’m only 5-7, but wide shoulders and chest. On my GG Kumo, the shoulder straps are awesome under same exact load. My hope is that things will feel better as the pads break in, as stiffer foam usually does. Our southern heat and humidity should aid that process! Other than that, I’m very happy with the Durston! Oh, I tried without frame w 22 lbs and it felt great! Would go w frame for 30 lbs in winter.Jun 25, 2020 at 6:56 pm #3654708
Was just having a passing thought to ask those having trouble with the shoulder straps . I wonder if removing the alloy frame would help with more and/or better body contour. That’s if I understand the review. Might make the load lifters a moot point but they’re not normally used with what would be a now frameless pack anyway. Good gawd. If FedEx would just get here…… I’ll shut up
Jun 26, 2020 at 4:07 am #3654739
- This reply was modified 6 days, 19 hours ago by Regis L.
I hear what you’re saying but if you remove the frame and render the load-lifters moot, doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose? I aleady have much lighter packs for that purpose.Jun 26, 2020 at 5:14 am #3654741
I concur but at least it’s a doable option at least for lighter loads. An advantage of having a removable frame or stays.Jun 26, 2020 at 7:37 am #3654750matthew kModerator
My interest in this pack had to do with a lightweight frame for trips witg weights that slightly exceed my comfort level with frameless packs.
I’m sending mine back to Drop. I’m pleased to report they pay for return shipping. My advice to anyone that is on the fence about trying this pack is to go for it.Jun 26, 2020 at 7:41 am #3654751matthew kModerator
Props to Dan for being so active on here on BPL and in other communities. I have a lot of respect your analytical and innovative approach to product design. I do disagree with a couple of the decisions made here but I think they will be good decisions for other people.Jun 26, 2020 at 9:22 am #3654762
Ditto Matthew. Dan has been extremely responsive to questions and comments, and props to him for all he brings to this community. I worked up a sweat in the pack again this morning (humping the stairs). I plan to test the break-in theory and use for a weekender. I also have a skinny and tall son that I’ll get to play around with it as well.
Jun 26, 2020 at 9:57 am #3654774
- This reply was modified 6 days, 5 hours ago by Russ W.
Not too shabby for a first pack.
Mine seems to be stuck in Pomona for the past four days.Jun 29, 2020 at 11:46 am #3655311Dan DurstonBPL Member
@dandydanLocale: Canadian Rockies
“In ‘A Message from the Designer, Dan Durston’ on drop.com Dan talks about “running vest-inspired shoulder strap pockets”. In all my running vests i can store water bottles (soft flasks) and according to the original description of the shoulder strap pockets they would’ve fit perfectly. Also, in the description exactly that is advertised. For me this was the main selling point. As per Dan’s argumentation: Bringing the weight (water) to the front hugely improves balance and negates leaning back. Why else have no cushion on the backpacks back. The backpack that i received does not have those shoulder strap pockets. The existing pockets fit my 6″ phone very well, but all my running vests fit my phone as well as 2 water bottles.”
Please note that I didn’t make the argument that bringing water weight forward improves balance, nor does the pack not have cushion in the back (it has an 8mm back pad). The shoulder straps are running vest inspired (as opposed to actually being running vest straps) because the goal was to bring some of the function that running vests have to pack straps. Running vests have a LOT of pockets and features on their straps and the goal here was never to replicate all of that, but rather to use that as an inspiration to bring some of the more useful functions to pack straps. Earlier prototypes of this pack did have top loading pockets where small bottles could fit, but the main goal was never water bottles but rather phone carrying ability (e.g. that story you reference as persuading your purchase makes no mention of storing water in the shoulder straps). I find that pockets big enough to be useful for bottles are too large and insecure to be ideal for phones and most other items, whereas side zipper pockets work much better so I opted for those. I think those add some really nice functionality for phones, sunglasses, sunscreen, etc, while nearly all competing packs don’t have any pockets here at all, but certainly if someone wants to carry water bottles up front then indeed this isn’t designed for that and those people are welcome to return the pack with free shipping.
“As others have stated on drop.com, weight is way above spec. Mine weighs 934g (33.0oz), which is 11% above the advertised 842g (29.7g)”
842g was the original spec for a S/M but yours is a M/L where the spec was 875g. So yours is 6.7% over spec. That is unfortunate and my apologies. It appears this added weight is due to the webbing on the hipbelt and shoulder straps being longer than the prototypes, so this weight can be easily trimmed off, but if someone is unhappy with that they can return the pack with free return shipping. We have updated the specs now to accurately reflect the actual weight.Jun 29, 2020 at 11:58 am #3655315Dan DurstonBPL Member
@dandydanLocale: Canadian Rockies
With regard to comfort, it’s good to hear that most people are finding it comfortable. With something as personal as a pack it’s hard to come up with a shape/fit that is going to work for everyone. Aspects of the fit like the size of the hipbelt wings, width of the backpanel, distance between shoulder straps, shape of the shoulder straps etc are going to work better for some folks than others. With regard to pressure along the inside edge specifically, like most packs the shoulder straps are angled downward slightly were they attach to the pack to provide some downward slope that roughly matches the downwards slope on the wearers shoulder. How well this angle matches the slope of individual users shoulders is going to vary depending on individual fit, where I’m sure there are some people where the shape isn’t a good match. I think it works well for most people and should stretch/adapt somewhat with a bit of use to better match each user.Jul 1, 2020 at 8:10 am #3655637
Thanks for the thoughtful comments Dan. Regarding the shoulder straps, I think I’m beginning to achieve some break-in along with playing with all of the straps. It may not be a McHale but it’s a lot of pack for the $’s!
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