- Jul 31, 2017 at 5:13 pm #3482192
I’m heading a group to refurbish our troop’s backpacking cook boxes. We have a large troop and separate patrol boxes for car camps, but the troop is doing more backpacking lately, and the backpacking boxes need some new pots. We’re also planning a Philmont trek next summer and want to encourage patrol method cooking on some treks (anyone can do buddy system cooking).
I’ve been having trouble finding a source. Much discussion a couple of years ago about the BSA patrol-sized pots going away. I can’t seem to find anything useful recently. Open Country still sells 2 and 4 quart pots, but they are non-stick (not my preference). Anything larger than that looks to be a kitchen pot – not that I’m against that, but there are millions to choose from – info overload.
Anyone solve this problem lately? What size pot does your troop use on a backpack, and how big is your cook patrol typically?
For reference, Philmont issues an 8 quart pot and a second 8, 6 or 4 quart pot. You need to have (2) for the hot wash and hot rinse routine as I understand it. I’ve heard others say they got by with (2) 4 quart pots. I’m even having trouble finding those.
Thanks for your help,
Slbear (Bob)Jul 31, 2017 at 5:17 pm #3482193
Dan YBPL Member
Try a local Oriental Foods store. They have light weight stainless pots.Jul 31, 2017 at 6:13 pm #3482207
David ThomasBPL Member
@davidinkenaiLocale: North Woods. Far North.
Walmart has some thin stainless steel stockpots for cheap. There are some similar ones in aluminum.
Dirt-bag UL option: a large rice maker for $5 at a thrift store has a very light aluminum insert inside.Jul 31, 2017 at 7:26 pm #3482221
Aubrey W. BogardBPL Member
For our 2016 Philmont Shakedowns, I bought an 8-quart IMUSA aluminum stock pot at Walmart. It was very inexpensive. I believe that it may be a bit lighter than the ones Philmont uses (thinner-gauge aluminum), but the handles make it a bit bulky. The Scout that volunteered to carry it stuffed his food inside, so the volume was not really an issue in his pack. This is a good way to go if you wish to practice the Philmont cooking/cleaning methods.
When I attended the Philmont Advisors Skills School (PASS), the Chief Ranger told us that they were working with MSR to develop new Philmont pots to replace their aging inventory, which is no longer available from the original supplier.Jul 31, 2017 at 9:17 pm #3482250
Clifford DeakyneBPL Member
@cliffdeakyneLocale: Mid Atlantic
I recently bought some 8 quart pots for my troop that were very inexpensive and very light weight stainless steel from Boscov. They periodically have the pots half price, which is when I bought them. I saw the offering on-line but got them at the local store. Same issue with the handles as mentioned above.Aug 1, 2017 at 4:44 pm #3482446
Jose BeltranBPL Member
@josebeltranLocale: East Bay, San Francisco area
I have 2 aluminum cooking pots that I got for snow melting. I never used them. They are new. They have lids and bails. One is 7 inches deep by 9 inches wide. It is made in Japan. The other one is
6 inches deep by 9 inches wide. It is made in China. If they could be of use to you , you can have them. You only have to pay shipping.
I can send you a picture on your cellular. I am having problems posting pictures on this forum.
Let me know if your interested.Aug 1, 2017 at 6:09 pm #3482468
Thanks for the kind offer. Consensus is gaining momentum for going with medium sized pots for the backpacking boxes, so I’ll have to pass.
I think we’re looking for 2-4 qt pots, and want to buy a few sets at least (we had 6 backpacking cook boxes, but I think we can get with 4-5). Each box will have 2 stoves and at least 2 pots.
Anyone have experience with the Xylan coating that’s on the current Open Country Pots?
Thanks,Aug 1, 2017 at 6:48 pm #3482475
Jay LashBPL Member
You might check some of the Ely MN / Boundary Waters area outfitters, most of them sell rental gear at the end of the season. A few years ago I picked up some patrol cook kits from vnorth.com.Aug 7, 2017 at 11:04 am #3483533
FYI…I stopped in a local outfitter in San Diego (Adventure 16 in Solana Beach, CA). They’ve turned this store into more of a travel luggage/apparel store, but they still have a small room in the back with some backpacking equipment. Anyway, besides a few standard Ti mugs they were stocking some “Liberty Mountain” 2.5L and 4.5L pots, which I’ve determined are made by Trangia.
Here’s the Liberty Mountain website (since that’s how I tracked down more info) for this product. You can buy them on Amazon, Campsaver, etc. These are pretty light and wide, which is good for the remote canister or white gas stoves that lend themselves to patrol-style cooking. Also very reasonable – both are under $30.
I like these better than the Open Country current offering here. These prices are often, but at least one of the ASMs reminded me that the scouts will destroy any non-stick coating. He also prefers to be able to clean the pot with sand, which would wreck the non-stick even faster than a tenderfoot.
-BobAug 11, 2017 at 7:08 am #3484331
Jeffrey PetersBPL Member
I just arrived home from Philmont on Monday. The current issue pot at Philmont is made by Ace Camp and the link is below.Aug 11, 2017 at 7:44 am #3484334
Bob MoulderBPL Member
@bobmny10562Locale: Westchester County, NY
Includes flat lid with a wire D-ring handle
Wire bail handle on pot folds down for packing
Size: 11 x 8.3 in
Weight: 49.5 oz
Ouch!!Aug 11, 2017 at 2:09 pm #3484403
It looks like these specs are for the 12L. It doesn’t change when you select 8 or 4 liter pots. As has been reported seprately, most stoves spec a 10″ max diameter, which the 4 and 8 liter pots would meet (but the 12L would not).
That’s not to say Philmon’s pots aren’t overly heavy. Like their tents, I assume they are specified to take abuse every day for months if not years.
the price of the 4L pot is pretty good at $24.99. I wish I knew the weight of that. Might be worth getting one to try. I have an older un-coated aluminum open country pot that I think was 4Q, but so far I can only find them with non-stick coating.
-BobAug 11, 2017 at 2:46 pm #3484411
Bob MoulderBPL Member
@bobmny10562Locale: Westchester County, NY
For comparison purposes, I have an old-style OC 4qt pot and it weighs 12.6 oz, so the Trangia you linked above is a reasonable weight.
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