Revisiting Stove Options – Need to Replace a Trail Designs 12-10

https://andrewskurka.com/2011/how-to-make-a-fancy-feast-alcohol-stove/

I wonder if that would work with my Caldera Cone? The simplicity of making it fits well with my pay scale :)

1kg for 10 days sounds like too much…

What pot are you using and how much water per meal do you need? Are you actually cooking with extended simmering needs or is it FBC where just hot water is needed?

For canister, if you need 500ml of hot water per meal, a single 110g canister might suffice because it can boil this amount with ~5g of fuel. If you’re like most people, you won’t need breakfast the first day or dinner the last day so you’re effectively looking at 9 dinners and 9 breakfasts, which means there’s a little extra fuel under that scenario.

The simple Fancy Feast stove is IME not very efficient. I’ve built them exactly to spec and then made a few different versions where I altered the size of the upper and lower holes to see if I could reduce fuel consumption but I could not. I’ve also used the Evernew EB-254 and also found it not very fuel efficient. However, if you’re the least bit handy you can MYOG Zelph’s version called Fancee Feest, which I have found to be much more fuel efficient. Like the plain cat can version, it is intended for the pot to sit right on top of the stove so it might or might not work with your Caldera Cone.

But even with a relatively inefficient alcohol setup where you need 30ml per meal, 9 days of fuel with container should weigh about 450g.

Starlyte, period.

Bob the estimate of 900 g (1,000 grams is too much I agree). It was not a super accurate measure as I went with whole day usage as it was simply a ball park contextual figure. My real interest here is alcohol stove options and/or a gas options as well. Can’t have to much choice right? :)

I appreciate you and others may use less but I guess I like my cups of tea, my porridge and my hot chocolate and oh dinner :) That is two cups at brekkie, a cup at lunch, a couple of cups at dinner plus boiling water for the meal itself.  To be more accurate, I am looking at 7.75 days + a safety margin, so 700 to 800 mls for the whole trip.

That all said I still need to replace the 12-10 stove :)

JR the Starlyte is not shipped internationally so is not an option for me but thanks for the suggestion.

I might get a Fire Maple FMS-117T to play with but would still like to sort out the alcohol stove because there will be more rides where access to canisters will not be an option but getting alcohol will be easy.

Qiwiz will has an alcohol stove that will ship internationally and is designed to work with a close-in windscreen.  I’ve not used it myself.  Given the cost of shipping compared to the cost of an alcohol stove, you might do better with a local option if that exists.

The Starlyte now ships “International”  only $4.00 US currency.

http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/starlyte-burner-with-lid.php

The Starlyte now ships “International”  only $4.00 US currency.

Thanks Dan. I looked at the wrong page it seems.

I assume this stove will work okay with a caldera cone stove? I should do my research I guess :)

Qiwiz will has an alcohol stove that will ship internationally and is designed to work with a close-in windscreen.

Thanks for the heads-up. I will investigate the options further.

Andrew, I think you want the modified for use with a Caldera Cone.

@matthewkphx thanks for your comment. That was my thinking so glad to get it confirmed. I think I will get a couple of the stoves to minimise the hassle should I crush one or lose one in the future.

I also thought of making one of these fancy fest stoves as it looks pretty simple and I can get similar cans here. Not sure if it will work with a Caldera cone or not but guess I can find out.

I believe the Fancy Feest is meant to be used with the pot in full contact with top of the stove or it won’t pressurize and burn properly. If you are using a band on your pot and can lower it (or ditch the band altogether) it might work although I don’t know how the FF does in an enclosed environmwnt of a CC.

The Starlyte is sturdy, small and works well in a cone. My $.02 is to use that.

I have the 900 Sidewinder and with the Starlyte it fits in the pot where the 12-10 does not and when cooking I don’t need skewers, the pot can just sit in the cone.

Kind of an aside here, but now that I have tried an alcohol stove with carbon felt inside, I am totally sold and will never buy one without. So, food for thought there. I live in the fire-prone western US, but I believe you have issues of fire danger in Australia as well.

The one I have is the Minibull Mini Atomic w/carbon felt, but there are other options, or you can just fill a stove with carbon.

I believe the Fancy Feest is meant to be used with the pot in full contact with top of the stove or it won’t pressurize and burn properly.

I suspect that might be the case, but thought I would just have a play if for nothing else the fun of it. I am ordering the Starlyte this week anyway.

The FF is a nice stove for sure. The flame on the FF is perfection to me. I love how it comes off the stove 360° and curls and hits the base of the pot. I’ve used mine more than my Starlyte but that is mostly due to the fact that I got my Starlight(s) around the same time I discovered Esbit…

Just returned from a backpack/hunting trip in northern Nevada and used my TD Sidewinder for all my cooking. (ESBIT only)

My Sidewinder is made for the 3 cup pot which I’ve found is the perfect size pot for one person. The wider-than-taller pot is more heat-efficient than a mug. A BGET tab holder for ESBIT tabs almost doubles my burn time.

I got the Sidewinder B/CI also wanted the Inferno wood burning insert for winter camping when I need a hotter stove and “unlimited” fuel source for melting snow. That Inferno insert makes the Sidewinder into  a “gassifier” stove that is hotter burning than a standard wood stove.  Plus after I’m done cooking and melting snow a wood fire on a cold winter night in the mountains is cheery.