- Sep 23, 2017 at 1:14 am #3492701
I was sorting through my kit today in early preparation for a 10 day bikepacking trip and I realised that I had managed to crush some what my Trail Designs 12-10 stove. Being in Australia the cost of replacement is seriously expensive so I have decided to look at my options.
If I stick with the alcohol stove are there other good options for a stove? Would say the Evernew EB-254 be a serious contender putting aside its weight of 36 g (a gain of 20 grams)? Price wise it is around the same to me as the 12-10.
Looking at my fuel usage, stove, calder cone kit etc my alcohol system weight is coming in at around 900 to 1,000 grams for the 10 days.
Alternatively I can go with a gas canister system and assuming I can use two 110 g canisters over the ride I am looking at 523 grams plus the weight of the stove. Even if I was super conservative and went with three canisters I would be at sub 750 grams so still in front. It is not likely I can get new canisters on the ride. This is one of the reasons I generally go alcohol as I can source that easily.
I would likely use 110g canisters due to the very limited packing options on the bike but if I can pack a 230 g canister I would be saving more weight. Will not know until I get to the packing stage.
Anyway if I go the gas canister route, what are the best in terms of pack size and lightest weight stoves today? Packed size is the first priority here.
I see the Fire Maple Hornet FMS-300T comes in at 44g and looks like it packs down really small. Serious contender? Any other options worth considering?
At the end of the day I may setup myself up to go either alcohol or gas depending on the trip.Sep 23, 2017 at 2:00 am #3492704
Franco DarioliBPL Member
@francoLocale: TarptentSep 23, 2017 at 3:48 am #3492706
I wonder if that would work with my Caldera Cone? The simplicity of making it fits well with my pay scale :)Sep 23, 2017 at 4:48 am #3492709
Bob MoulderBPL Member
@bobmny10562Locale: Westchester County, NY
1kg for 10 days sounds like too much…
What pot are you using and how much water per meal do you need? Are you actually cooking with extended simmering needs or is it FBC where just hot water is needed?
For canister, if you need 500ml of hot water per meal, a single 110g canister might suffice because it can boil this amount with ~5g of fuel. If you’re like most people, you won’t need breakfast the first day or dinner the last day so you’re effectively looking at 9 dinners and 9 breakfasts, which means there’s a little extra fuel under that scenario.
The simple Fancy Feast stove is IME not very efficient. I’ve built them exactly to spec and then made a few different versions where I altered the size of the upper and lower holes to see if I could reduce fuel consumption but I could not. I’ve also used the Evernew EB-254 and also found it not very fuel efficient. However, if you’re the least bit handy you can MYOG Zelph’s version called Fancee Feest, which I have found to be much more fuel efficient. Like the plain cat can version, it is intended for the pot to sit right on top of the stove so it might or might not work with your Caldera Cone.
But even with a relatively inefficient alcohol setup where you need 30ml per meal, 9 days of fuel with container should weigh about 450g.Sep 23, 2017 at 7:40 am #3492719
J RBPL Member
Starlyte, period.Sep 23, 2017 at 8:08 am #3492725
Bob the estimate of 900 g (1,000 grams is too much I agree). It was not a super accurate measure as I went with whole day usage as it was simply a ball park contextual figure. My real interest here is alcohol stove options and/or a gas options as well. Can’t have to much choice right? :)
I appreciate you and others may use less but I guess I like my cups of tea, my porridge and my hot chocolate and oh dinner :) That is two cups at brekkie, a cup at lunch, a couple of cups at dinner plus boiling water for the meal itself. To be more accurate, I am looking at 7.75 days + a safety margin, so 700 to 800 mls for the whole trip.
That all said I still need to replace the 12-10 stove :)
JR the Starlyte is not shipped internationally so is not an option for me but thanks for the suggestion.
I might get a Fire Maple FMS-117T to play with but would still like to sort out the alcohol stove because there will be more rides where access to canisters will not be an option but getting alcohol will be easy.Sep 23, 2017 at 8:30 am #3492732
MJ HBPL Member
Qiwiz will has an alcohol stove that will ship internationally and is designed to work with a close-in windscreen. I’ve not used it myself. Given the cost of shipping compared to the cost of an alcohol stove, you might do better with a local option if that exists.Sep 23, 2017 at 8:50 am #3492734
Dan YBPL Member
The Starlyte now ships “International” only $4.00 US currency.Sep 23, 2017 at 6:13 pm #3492837Sep 23, 2017 at 6:15 pm #3492838
Qiwiz will has an alcohol stove that will ship internationally and is designed to work with a close-in windscreen.
Thanks for the heads-up. I will investigate the options further.Sep 23, 2017 at 7:14 pm #3492847Sep 24, 2017 at 12:38 am #3492895
@matthewkphx thanks for your comment. That was my thinking so glad to get it confirmed. I think I will get a couple of the stoves to minimise the hassle should I crush one or lose one in the future.
I also thought of making one of these fancy fest stoves as it looks pretty simple and I can get similar cans here. Not sure if it will work with a Caldera cone or not but guess I can find out.Sep 24, 2017 at 6:33 am #3492913
I believe the Fancy Feest is meant to be used with the pot in full contact with top of the stove or it won’t pressurize and burn properly. If you are using a band on your pot and can lower it (or ditch the band altogether) it might work although I don’t know how the FF does in an enclosed environmwnt of a CC.
The Starlyte is sturdy, small and works well in a cone. My $.02 is to use that.Sep 24, 2017 at 7:47 am #3492915
George FBPL Member
I have the 900 Sidewinder and with the Starlyte it fits in the pot where the 12-10 does not and when cooking I don’t need skewers, the pot can just sit in the cone.Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 am #3492939
Nick SmolinskeBPL Member
@smoLocale: Rogue Panda Designs
Kind of an aside here, but now that I have tried an alcohol stove with carbon felt inside, I am totally sold and will never buy one without. So, food for thought there. I live in the fire-prone western US, but I believe you have issues of fire danger in Australia as well.
The one I have is the Minibull Mini Atomic w/carbon felt, but there are other options, or you can just fill a stove with carbon.Sep 24, 2017 at 5:33 pm #3492993
I believe the Fancy Feest is meant to be used with the pot in full contact with top of the stove or it won’t pressurize and burn properly.
I suspect that might be the case, but thought I would just have a play if for nothing else the fun of it. I am ordering the Starlyte this week anyway.Sep 24, 2017 at 6:50 pm #3493000
The FF is a nice stove for sure. The flame on the FF is perfection to me. I love how it comes off the stove 360° and curls and hits the base of the pot. I’ve used mine more than my Starlyte but that is mostly due to the fact that I got my Starlight(s) around the same time I discovered Esbit…Sep 24, 2017 at 7:35 pm #3493006
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
Just returned from a backpack/hunting trip in northern Nevada and used my TD Sidewinder for all my cooking. (ESBIT only)
My Sidewinder is made for the 3 cup pot which I’ve found is the perfect size pot for one person. The wider-than-taller pot is more heat-efficient than a mug. A BGET tab holder for ESBIT tabs almost doubles my burn time.
I got the Sidewinder B/CI also wanted the Inferno wood burning insert for winter camping when I need a hotter stove and “unlimited” fuel source for melting snow. That Inferno insert makes the Sidewinder into a “gassifier” stove that is hotter burning than a standard wood stove. Plus after I’m done cooking and melting snow a wood fire on a cold winter night in the mountains is cheery.
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