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Rec. gov policy of Waiting Period for Modifications and Cancellations

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AK Granola BPL Member
PostedOct 8, 2026 at 10:11 am

I feel like I’m always trying to figure out the purpose behind various National Park policies, and doing what I can to make my trip work according to their rules. I suppose some people would call that gaming the system, but it seems to me it’s playing by the rules of their own game, while still trying to win. As the director of a publicly serving institution, I recognize that people use whatever system and policies you put into place to meet their own needs, and if you as an organization didn’t really consider human behavior and motivation, that’s on the institution, not on the patron. If they follow the letter rather than the spirit of the rule (law, whatever), they’re in the right.

I do get into trouble sometimes with this perspective, as my group did in Glacier National Park a few years back. We had a solid one week itinerary, which got interrupted midway through by a high wind warning and rangers told us it was not safe to proceed over the next pass. So we skipped a section of hiking, but kept our same booked campsite for the night. Another ranger then tried to get us kicked out of the park! Fortunately, her supervisor overruled her and we were able to continue our hike. After the hike I looked everywhere for this supposed rule and never found it. The mean ranger thought we were “cheating” when we were literally following their safety recommendations (which ultimately we should have ignored; that pass was perfectly safe even in high wind; the ranger had never actually walked it).

Anyway now I’m booking Mather campground in Grand Canyon for some dates next spring, and ran into the “Waiting period for modifications and cancellations” warning. Rather than wait for all the dates I need to book, which surely would mean not getting the same site on nights 2 and 3, I’m booking one night at a time, getting onto the system early in the day to make sure I get the site I need so I don’t have to change sites partway through my trip. I guess some people just book the first one and then try to change that reservation to cover more dates once they open for booking, and that is what this weird policy is designed to prevent. Makes zero sense to me. Hopefully I’m not again running afoul of some weird hidden policy they’ll throw at me on arrival. But I have a legit booking for each night, at the same campsite, just several individual bookings instead of one covering all my nights. The alternative is to follow their waiting period, and then lose my site and have to change sites every night and still book each night separately.

On the Wonderland the best advice I got was to skip all the nonsense and go for walkup permits and just make sure we were first in line at the ranger station (we were). We had a plan B and plan C just in case, which we fortunately did not need. But all the lotteries and whatnot are just extra stress. It’s always a relief when you just start walking.

Every location has its own peculiar policies and procedures, and I’m never trying to cheat, just figure out how to go camping and hiking! And I do love the other public lands too, with easier access. But national parks are national parks for a reason; they’re the cream.

Pic from my fall workout trail!birch trees in fall

 

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedOct 8, 2026 at 10:34 am

I’ve never had a ranger look at my reservation.  Olympic National Park and the Three Sisters Wilderness.

I’m surprised a ranger would try to kick you out of the park for that “violation”

It’s funny how some people get overwhelmed by their power, want to tell other people what to do

Paul Wagner BPL Member
PostedOct 9, 2026 at 7:45 am

If only people were reasonable!

It works both ways.  Park officials try to set the rules to be fair, and then people try every possible trick to get around the rules—and sometimes point blank violate them.

We camp in the back of an old 2006 Ford van. It’s not an RV–no sink, no WC, just a mattress in the back where the two rear seats used to be.  We’ve camped in “tent only” sites all over the West without an issue, including Texas Springs in Death Valley, until one night the ranger there decided that what we were doing was illegal.

I asked him what the difference was between what we were doing and the couple across the way in the same area who were sleeping in their car.  But no, we had to put up our tent (we always carry one) or he was doing to kick us out. Mind you, we didn’t sleep in the tent…

And we’ve also had people switch our tags on our campsite so that their group could all camp together, leaving us with a much less desirable campsite, even though we’d reserved the best one.  The ranger there encouraged us to take a site at another campground, where we would be happy.  That site was reserved by someone else, but it was already 7 p.m. and he wasn’t concerned about them showing up.

Of course they did–at 11 pm.  We offered to share the site with them, but they were very angry and went off in a huff.

People.

 

Arthur BPL Member
PostedOct 9, 2026 at 3:00 pm

A few years back I had the pleasure of hiking for a couple of days with a National Park Ranger.  He spent his summers in the Sierras, 10 days out, 5 days off.  He said the most common violations were no bear cannister, carrying bear spray, camping too close to water. But the most common was no permit.  He said people just figured that after taking off work, spending thousands on fancy gear, and traveling, that the $250  fine for no permit was just the cost of doing business. If they got caught every 4-5 hikes, it boiled down to a small cost per outing.  He said few paid the fine anyway, especially out of staters.  He could not “throw them out” without escorting them for a day or two back to the trailhead.  He did have funny stories about the misuse of bear spray in crowded campgrounds.

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