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Protecting guylines when pitching with sharp rocks and wind?

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PostedSep 3, 2019 at 6:40 am

Hi there,

I frequently have situations where I have to pitch my tent with rocks as there is no soil.
Usually have very sharp edges. This alone is not a problem, but combined with wind it can become one.

Last year I had wind gusts (called Foehn in the Alps) from 80-120 km/h and two of my guylines failed.
This was a problem since I had a Moment DW with me which only uses 4 stakes. Positive if you have to pitch with rocks, negative if the lines fail :).

So my question is: How do you/could you protect the guylines in this situation?
It’s difficult fix them when around/in contact with a rock. I could maybe use a long peg and fix it at the ends only so the guyline is only attached to the peg.
Or I could use a thin Evazote strip to protect them…

Thanks a lot!
Christoph

Matthew / BPL Moderator
PostedSep 3, 2019 at 12:20 pm

How about some “rock loops” of heavier line? What type of line is most abrasion resistant?

Another thought is some short lengths of tubular webbing or gutted paracord that could sleeve over your lines?

PostedSep 3, 2019 at 1:25 pm

Are there any sticks available?  At Philmont, they have us put sticks around the trunk of the tree so the bear line doesn’t touch the tree.  With thousands of people coming through every summer, it protects the tree.

Could you do something similar with sticks so that the guyline only touches the sticks and not the rock?

Rob BPL Member
PostedSep 3, 2019 at 2:12 pm

Some types of line are far more cut resistant than others.  Look for something with kevlar or other tough synthetics.  Lawson used to make some cord that is very hard to cut.

PostedSep 3, 2019 at 2:42 pm

I have sewn a few small tubes of woven (100%) Dyneema cloth, and throw them in my stake kit. On the tent I’m currently using I carry six of them. They are about 0.2 oz ea, and about 4″ long. They’ve been very effective in high winds in granite environments.

Geoff Caplan BPL Member
PostedSep 3, 2019 at 3:03 pm

Bob Saunders sold these Storm Riders in the ’80s – not difficult to make:

 

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedSep 3, 2019 at 5:38 pm

Maybe you just need thicker guylines.  Maybe this isn’t a case where ultralight is best.

If they’re long guylines, maybe just have the ends that contact rocks of a thicker line.

Matt Dirksen BPL Member
PostedSep 3, 2019 at 6:18 pm

In lieu of a thicker line, I’ve simply added a second guy line to specific tie-outs that I’m concerned about. That way it: 1) reduces the stress on the first line and 2) provides a little bit of backup protection.

PostedSep 3, 2019 at 9:42 pm

A suggestion in addition to the above ideas, cut some strips of tyvek and use Gorilla Glue to form them into protective tubes/sleeves.

PostedSep 4, 2019 at 2:25 am

I have with me 3 or 4 of these “kitchen” cloths

A thick one as my towel, one for the pot and spoon (stops stuff rutling around in the pot in transit) one to wipe the tent down an at times , one just in case.

They are very light and fit anywhere there is a gap. You can wrap one of those over the part of the guyline that would rub against the rock.

 

 

PostedSep 10, 2019 at 1:13 am

I first read of the technique of using sturdy webbing loops with rocks as anchors (en lieu of stakes) from Roman Dial via the Mountain Laurel Designs FB page but woven Dyneema loops, as Ryan Jordan has mentioned earlier, is next level in terms of weight and strength.

 

Roger Caffin BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2019 at 4:32 am

Throw-away string, maybe 2 mm, to make loops around the rocks. Catch the real guys in the loops before knotting or hook them in with stakes. Replace string as needed between trips.

Cheers

PostedSep 10, 2019 at 5:27 am

I also thought about loops (individual ones) I think that’s the best option. I need to find out how to tighten the smaller loops though.

I’m not sure if the MSR or similar bags don’t tear – they are intended for snow/sand use.
Besides that I found: https://www.amazon.com/Tent-Stakes-Rock-Hard-Ground/dp/B07Q2HC72F

A mix would be to put the loops in a sandwich between a thin evazote layer, then put rocks on it.

PostedSep 10, 2019 at 5:41 pm

Another option:

Instead of the towel in the picture I could use anything, like DCF, Tyvek, etc
I thought of a simple nylon belt (like seat belt) loop – I think that’s the easiest option.

To protect the guyline itself one could use nylon webbing like this: https://www.amazon.de/Schutzh%C3%BClse-TOPINCN-Kabelh%C3%BClse-Schwei%C3%9Fen-Hydraulikschlauch/dp/B07GFLMZH8/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=nylon+schlauch+hydraulik&qid=1568137119&s=gateway&sr=8-3

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