- Aug 10, 2019 at 7:01 pm #3605534
Just flew back from Philmont and boy are my glutes tired. This was our first trip and I’ll try to cover my personal gear, crew gear and my son’s gear.
My Tent – Tarptent Aeon – Well, early on at Ponil, I forgot to pull out 1 stake, pulled on the tent and made a major rip where the mesh attaches to the Dyneema. Argh! Tenacious tape kept it usable, but it’s toast.
I brought it because people said sites were tight. We had 3 advisers and I got to tent alone. Not true. I could fit my Duplex in every spot I put my Aeon. I planned to sell either the Aeon or Duplex, but now that decision is made for me.
The Aeon is a good tent. However, at just shy of 6’3″ and 202 pounds (came home weighing 190) I just don’t fit in a 1 person tent. My shoulder would brush against the wall. Twice we had condensation and that meant a wet shoulder.
Verdict: I will look at 2 person tents for the next trip. However, the Aeon is a good tent.
Son’s Tent – MLD Duplex with Duplex Inner. Silnylon – This worked well for 2 skinny scouts. It was lighter than half a Philtent. Larger scouts will be cramped. It was all in 1 bag so his tentmate took more of the food to balance things out.
Verdict: If you’re willing to make the purchase and scouts aren’t big, it worked well. I could sell it.
My Backpack – Zpacks Arc Haul – This worked well. Our first food pickup was for 4 days. Packing everything in was a challenge for the crew. I took the crew tarp we brought, my tent and a Helinox Chair Zero strapped to the bottom. I didn’t anticipate taking the tarp and just barely had enough paracord to hold them. I’ll replace with longer cord.
It carried well, was light and have only good things to say. The mesh pocket has 2 tears.
Verdict: Will use again.
Son’s Backpack – REI Flash 55 – I spent a lot of time shopping sales for fairly light, compact gear for my son. Others on the crew didn’t do as well. This pack only works if you have compact gear and don’t overpack. He used all optional pieces.
Verdict: Very good pack at a good price. It is smaller than most scout packs, so you must have compact personal gear.
My Sleeping Bag – Feathered Friends Flicker YF 30 – This is a hybrid quilt/bag. It has a full ziper and the foot box cinches closed. I assumed it was warmer in bag mode. It was warmer in quilt mode. I bought an attachment strap to keep it tight to the pad. In bag mode, the zipper was a cold spot, even with a draft tube. In quilt mode, this wasn’t an issue.
It was varying degrees (pun intended) of cold every night. There were no hot nights. My sleep clothes (covered later) were not as warm as they should have been. Not the bag’s fault.
Verdict: Unsure. I like the quilt. Perhaps 20 degrees would be better. Better clothes would work, too. Quality product.
Son’s Sleeping Bag – Summit 20°F StormLOFT™ Down Sleeping Bag – I got this on sale. It’s not as compact as more expensive bags, but for a scout, it was probably the most compact, light crew bag. My son was never cold.
Verdict – shop the sales and this is a good choice for scouts.
My Sleeping Pad – Xlite long/wide – I’m tall and I’ve tried smaller pads. It’s impossible to sleep on them. This worked well.
Verdict: Will use again
Son’s Pad – Nemo Switchback – This is probably the best closed cell foam pad. Bulkier than inflatable, but no risk of holes.
Verdict: Great choice for scouts.
My Rain Jacket – North Face Hyperair GTX – Light, relatively breathable and kept me dry.
Verdict: Love it!
My Rain Pants – Montbell Peak Shell – light and did the job.
Verdict: Use again
Shoes – Altra Lone Peak 4 – Sigh, they fit great. No blisters or pain. Only 1 wet shoe water crossing and they dried quickly. However, after 2 prep hikes and 1 Philmont trip, the left toe kick is coming off.
Verdict: Love everything but the durability. Will consider other options.
Socks – Darn Tough – comfy and durable.
Trekking Poles – REI Flash Carbon – worked well.
Gaiters – Dirty Girl Skulls – kept debris out of my shoes and my socks less dirty. Use again.
Watch – Garmin Fenix 5x – Gave poor numbers with auto pause on. Worked great with that off. Use again.
Chair – Helinox Chair Zero – Used every day. Not good enough to nap in, but worth the weight on this type of trip. Use again, but keep eye open if something better comes out.
Headlamp – Nitecore – Light, compact and charge lasted all week.
Water Bottles – Smartwater – Multiple people in other crews saw how great it was to be able to fit 2 bottles in the side pockets rather than 1 heavier Nalgene. Great choice.
Sleep Bottoms Warm – Odlo Light Merino – Too light. Mid weight would be better choice for me.
Sleep Bottoms Light – Dutchwear Gear Shorts – Too cold to wear them.
Sleep Shirt – Montbell Merino Wool Plus T shirt – Too cold to wear by itself. Very light, nice shirt.
Sleep Hat – Blackrock Gear 950 Down – Light, compact, warm. Use again.
Sleep Fleece – Kuiu Mountain Fit Hoodie – Should have noticed how short this fits. Poor fit and too light. Hood combined with the hat made for good earplugs. Will take a better fleece next time.Aug 10, 2019 at 7:11 pm #3605535
Tarp – Sanctuary Siltarp – We had 9 in our crew. At no time did all 9 of us use it. It was only used a few times. A full crew of 12 would struggle to fit under it. With trekking poles, it wasn’t really high enough. Attaching to trees (using twigs like the bear ropes) or finding a stick longer than a trekking pole made it more usable. It more than doubled in weight when packed away wet.
Verdict: It worked but will re-evaluate, particularly if we have a larger crew.
Pots – Boscovs 6 quart pots – Smaller than Philpots. For 9, only 1 meal came close to filling it. We only heated enough water for meals and washed with cold water as Camp Suds says is fine.
Verdict: Use again
Stakes – Groundhog Minis – Worked, but I hate the tops. They hurt your hand. We broke a LNT rule and used rocks to push, not pound them in. Probably use again.
Stove – Xcelerator remote canister stove – Light and worked well. Use again. I hate white gas stoves.
Bowls – Fozzils Bowls – These were crew gear. Light, cheap, compact and easy to lick clean. Perfect!Aug 10, 2019 at 7:35 pm #3605540
As I remember more, I’ll add it here.
Possum Down Socks – These were so comfy to put on at night. Definitely recommend.Aug 10, 2019 at 10:04 pm #3605553
Ghost Whisperer Puffy – No hood version. This was just barely adequate. I would go with something a little warmer with a hood. The cold rain in the afternoon was not joyful. I’d put my raincoat on over this, but just was able to prevent shivering while waiting around the campsite.Aug 10, 2019 at 11:35 pm #3605559
Bob ShuffBPL Member
Great review. I assume your son used an MLD Duomid? We have an XL and that can be tight for my son and his tent buddy at 15-16 years old. Last time they used it they didn’t bother with the inner, or one would sleep in the inner and the other one would just put the pad on the ground sheet and sorta cowboy camp under the outer.
How high were your camps? Do you know the overnight temps?Aug 11, 2019 at 12:31 am #3605569
Great review. I assume your son used an MLD Duomid?
Yes. Working on little sleep and of course I can’t edit the first post because if we could edit the first post, the communists would win or something.
My son is skinny and 15. His tentmate was 14 and skinny.
How high were your camps? Do you know the overnight temps?
Baldy Town was our highest camp, just shy of 10,000 feet. Horse Canyon is at the top of a peak, but I don’t know the elevation.
I don’t have any temperature readings. Maybe upper 40s/low 50s at the coldest?
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