Philmont Gear Review

Crew Gear

Tarp – Sanctuary Siltarp – We had 9 in our crew.  At no time did all 9 of us use it. It was only used a few times. A full crew of 12 would struggle to fit under it. With trekking poles, it wasn’t really high enough.  Attaching to trees (using twigs like the bear ropes) or finding a stick longer than a trekking pole made it more usable.  It more than doubled in weight when packed away wet.

Verdict: It worked but will re-evaluate, particularly if we have a larger crew.

Pots – Boscovs 6 quart pots – Smaller than Philpots. For 9, only 1 meal came close to filling it. We only heated enough water for meals and washed with cold water as Camp Suds says is fine.

Verdict: Use again

Stakes – Groundhog Minis – Worked, but I hate the tops.  They hurt your hand. We broke a LNT rule and used rocks to push, not pound them in.  Probably use again.

Stove – Xcelerator remote canister stove – Light and worked well. Use again.  I hate white gas stoves.

Bowls – Fozzils Bowls – These were crew gear.  Light, cheap, compact and easy to lick clean.  Perfect!

As I remember more, I’ll add it here.

Possum Down Socks – These were so comfy to put on at night.  Definitely recommend.

Ghost Whisperer Puffy – No hood version.  This was just barely adequate.  I would go with something a little warmer with a hood.  The cold rain in the afternoon was not joyful.  I’d put my raincoat on over this, but just was able to prevent shivering while waiting around the campsite.

Great review. I assume your son used an MLD Duomid?  We have an XL and that can be tight for my son and his tent buddy at 15-16 years old.  Last time they used it they didn’t bother with the inner, or one would sleep in the inner and the other one would just put the pad on the ground sheet and sorta cowboy camp under the outer.

How high were your camps? Do you know the overnight temps?

Great review. I assume your son used an MLD Duomid?

Yes.  Working on little sleep and of course I can’t edit the first post because if we could edit the first post, the communists would win or something.

My son is skinny and 15.  His tentmate was 14 and skinny.

How high were your camps? Do you know the overnight temps?

Baldy Town was our highest camp, just shy of 10,000 feet.  Horse Canyon is at the top of a peak, but I don’t know the elevation.

I don’t have any temperature readings.  Maybe upper 40s/low 50s at the coldest?

I’m a new member to Backpacking Light and this is my first post.  All the Philmont posts have been super helpful and made me decide to join, especially yours Brad.

Our Troop has a trek in June 2021 and I’m the lead advisor.  I’m pushing all the kids to go as light as possible and am trying to get them to use the LighterPack website to track gear weight.

I’m looking for a tent recommendation for myself that would be good for Philmont next year.  I also do a lot of camping and backpacking with our Troop around the San Francisco Bay Area and Sierras.  I’ve been debating between the Tarpentent Notch LI with solid wall interior or the Aeon LI once I see the updates coming later this month.  I’m really leaning toward the Notch LI.  The Tarptent website shows only 5 left with the solid wall interior as of today.

Thoughts?  Other better DCF tents for Philmont?

Thanks for any advice.

The Aeon worked great for me. If I had to do it again, I might switch to the Notch Li with solid inner, mostly to keep breezes out. Some people love a nice breeze while sleeping, but it seems to keep me awake.

It rained or threatened to rain every night, so I ended up keeping my doors closed.  We had a late trek, so typically more rain than earlier treks.  The Notch with solid might give more options for leaving doors open. It would also have less condensation, which I got on some of the rainy nights.

Really, there’s nothing Philmont specific you need to worry about. Get the 1 person tent that works best for you. I’ve only gone once, but there was not a single flat campsite on our trek. I’m not sure if that will affect your decision. but it’s the reality.

As for your crew, it seems there are a lot more bargain, relatively light options out there now. They probably were there before, but I’m more aware of them.

I got a Duomid for my son and his tentmate. Everyone else used Philtents. Unless a scout already has a good 2 person backpacking tent, go with the Philtents and save weight elsewhere.

Dixie recently reviewed some bargain gear she’s going to try out. This is some stuff that scouts should consider.  A scout is Thrifty.

I strongly suggest scouts use a framed pack and not the frameless one she reviews. Bulk of Philgear and Philfood is a bigger issue than the weight. My son used a 55L REI Flash pack with his tent and pad strapped on the outside.  I think a minimum of 65L would be better for most. The biggest offenders in personal gear are bulky sporting goods store sleeping bags and bringing too much clothing.

Make sure every crew member has some sort of straps to securely attach stuff on the outside. You might not use it, but seriously, the bulk of gear and food required a lot of squashing and Tetris skills.

Some more cheap options:

http://frugalhiker.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the tips.  I follow Dixie and Darwin and recommend them to our Scouts.  The price of backpacking gear is definitely an issue with some of the families.  The parents try to save money by buying cheaper gear but then it weighs too much.  I really hate to see a Scout overloaded with a heavy pack who then decides he or she doesn’t like backpacking.  Our Philmont bound Scouts are more open to spending some money on gear but some families have been hit with furloughs during this time so we’ll see what happens.  We had to cancel one of our shakedown trips already back in March and am trying to see if we can do one in July but it depends on the restrictions and comfort levels of the families.

Derek, we had weather and other things screw up a lot of our shakedowns.  You’re not behind at all for 2021. Obviously the more, the better, but don’t fret now.

One of my biggest frustrations was I would send out info on sales of good, cheap gear, and people would ignore it. Then we’d meet for a shakedown and they’d be missing that gear or have something not appropriate for backpacking.

Old Navy had this fleece that was light and on a big sale. I think it was maybe $10. Even if you don’t get it for backpacking, it was a great deal. Nobody got it and few had appropriate warm gear.  We’re in VA and I think some didn’t believe me that you need warm clothes in summer.

Most of the Philmont kids have been backpacking for at least 1-2 years with the Troop so they are already fairly experienced.  We do monthly car camping trips and every third month we try to do backpacking.  What we really need to train on is the Philway of doing cooking, bear hangs, etc. and working as a crew with those responsibilities split up.  The kids are getting excited already although I think the adults are even more excited and we’re 13 months out.

I was geared up for Philmont in 2018, and had hopes again this year.  I was planning to use a Zpacks Solplex I picked up here on GearSwap, but if I was buying new maybe one of the Zpacks Pleximid, Altaplex or Duplex.  You will know about these from Darwin already.  I used the Solplex in the Sierra for our 2018 replacement trek, and took a 32″ carbon fiber pole along with one of my two treking poles to set it up.  I liked that I still had one pole for dayhikes after my tent was setup, and I think that would be good at Philmont on some campsites.

I have a Tarptent Notch (silnylon) that I also picked up used years ago.  I think you can’t go wrong with the Zpacks or Tarptent.  I’m less familar with the Aeon Li, but the weight looks inline with the lightest Zpacks shelters.  You will read a lot of discussion about limted space in campsites – and others can comment on recent treks, but my take away was that adults can use single tents and space is typically not a big problem.

Also notable is for the Sierra our food was “smaller”, but we all had to carry 6 days worth in a bear can.  I think there are lots of choices for good scout packs for Philmont.  Some scouts took the clues I gave on lightening the pack, but others were typical teenagers and wanted to make up their own minds.  Those particular kids seem to be capable of carrying a heavier load (than I was willing to carry) so it was fine in the Sierra.

I’m jeolous.  My son turned 18 last month, and our troop’s Philmont trek this summer was canceled (again!).  His sights are now turned to college, so our opportunity has passed.

I had a young crew, all 14 and 15. Two turned 14 shortly before we started our trek. One was rather small, too.  Unless you have a small scout, they will deal with weight OK. Having said that, everyone enjoys carrying less weight.

The camping sites are small, but our 9 person crew always had plenty of room. There is no problem with an adult tenting solo. You’ll enjoy it better that way.

Bob, that’s terrible luck to get 2 trips cancelled.  Sorry to hear that.  The kids only want to hang out with us for so long and then we are too uncool for them.

Question about the Notch since you have it.  Did you have any trouble with trekking pole sharp tips up piercing through the fabric?  I’m a little worried about it during a windy night.  I know Tarptent sells attachments to use the poles with tips down but they are sold out right now.  Not sure if this is something to worry about.

No problems yet with the Notch tips up.  I used it in windy conditions on Catalina Island – Parson’s Landing beach camp.  Mine has metal grommets on beefy webbing, backed by some heavy duty material disk (hypalon maybe?).  I checked it and don’t see any marks from use by me or its original owner.

That being said, I prefer tips down and handles up if possible.  I don’t want to put my handles on the ground if it’s wet – especially a cork handle when I use them.  I often use 120cm z-poles and Tarptents says poles should be set to 113 cm (FWIW).  with tips down you will make up that difference and also have a stable pole position on the ground.  It looks like the adapter is a hood and some cordage – maybe a good DIY project if they don’t some in stock.  The Zpacks are designed for tip down and they  want 122 cm, but my Solplex worked fine with 120 and the tip in the ground.  Frankly it’s doesn’t seem putting the handles up in the Notch would be much of a problem, but the adapters would better if it was windy.

So I pulled the trigger on the new Tarptent ProTrail Li 1 person tent instead of the Notch Li.  It has a little more interior room than the Notch and is what I plan on taking to Philmont next summer.

I put out a homework assignment to the Philmont crew to use the LighterPack website and send me their big 3 items and weights as a starting point.  We’ll do the other items later but I wanted to start with the heavy items.

Nice! That’ll work fantastic for a lightweight advisor tent. That’s all you need and hopefully it should double well for any non-scout trips you make too.

I’d be really impressed as a ranger if I were to ever see a crew show up with lighterpack.com spreadsheets – it’s an amazing tool when you couple it with a postage scale at a troop meeting or something. Even if they just complete the big three on there, that’ll be a huge benefit to everyone.

Way off topic, but if you’re kids age out, or are close, and still want to do Philmont- tell em to skip right to the good part and apply for staff next summer. Speaking from experience as a college kid who did it, there are girls, parties, and hiking, and it’s an epic deal to live out there the whole summer. Backcountry PC or Ranger are the way to go!

It would have been great to get the crew to use lighterpack, but I struggled getting everyone to understand how such things would make their lives better.

We’re mostly a car camping troop and people don’t have light, compact gear. Understandably, many didn’t want to buy duplicate gear. In some cases, it was necessary.

I hope next summer is a normal year, but between Covid and bankruptcy, I worry.

We finally got in a backpacking trip along the PCT near South Lake Tahoe. Here’s the new ProTrail Li with Scout tents around Showers Lake.

@Brad

Toe kick coming off: happens sometimes.
Clean both inside faces carefully, use metho if possible. Then add a good blob of Shoe Goo and squeeze tightly together. Allow to cure. This stuff is magic.

It can be hard to keep the toe cap squeezed together. Use long lengths of duct tape or several layers of painters masking tape, plus ingenuity.

There are other PU adhesives on the market today if you can’t find Shoe Goo. Don’t use any silicone adhesives: they are not strong enough for this.

Cheers

Great post. DM’d you requesting your Philmont AAR before seeing all your posts in this thread. (Newbie here.)

Do you have a link to your full “final” listing of the personal/crew gear you took to Philmont?

Our crew is scheduled to hit Philmont in July — sounds like the weather may be wetter/cooler than imagined.

R/

I’m curious if anyone here as experience with the Drop X-Mid 2P Tent by Dan Durston.

Do you have a link to your full “final” listing of the personal/crew gear you took to Philmont?

This is my gear list that is close to what I took. I used a Tarptent Aeon at Philmont. I HATE sharing a tent and there’s no problem with adults taking a solo tent. I had an unfortunate accident with that tent at Philmont.  I repaired it enough to continue. In 2022, I might take the 1P Yama Cirriform I just got. I also ordered a MLD Bug Bivy 2 as an inner for the Cirriform.

Philmont does not allow just a bivy sack or just a tarp. The Bug Bivy 2 is more of a small inner net than a bivy and also has sides. Philmont wants a fully enclosed structure, so this would meet their standards. If Gen comes out with a new inner for the Cirriform, I might go with that instead.

I’m curious if anyone here as experience with the Drop X-Mid 2P Tent by Dan Durston.

I grabbed one on the second Drop order.  Have only used it once so far – used it without the nest.

There are two things that sold me on the X-Mid: it is easy to get a solid pitch without readjusting everything multiple times.  And – the nest can be added after the tarp is up, it clips in so you dont have to mess with the poles.

Thank you, Brad; that’s awesome info. On tenting, I’ve been under the impression that only the “odd man out” can take a solo tent; is that “rule” not really strictly enforced? Like you, I HATE sharing a tent. <G>