OR Echo Hoody Sizing

I’d say it runs normal to baggy. Normal (not fitted) t-shirt size. My 10+ year old capilene long sleeve shirts fit similarly.

I don’t have the hoody, but I have ~5 of the long sleeve quarter zips, and ~8 short sleeve Echo shirts.  They say slim fit, but are more of a normal fit to me.  They are definitely cut larger than the Patagonia base layers I have used which tend to be cut quite trim (and short).

It probably depends which Patagonia base layer you’re comparing the Echo hoody to. First pic is of Patagonia Capilene Lightweight in size Large

Second is of OR Echo Hoody in size Large

also there are two iterations of the Echo maybe the first echo (the one with drawstring hood) is baggier? the newer version has no drawstring and a different neckline.

at 6’2” 180 lbs the Patagonia is cut baggier in the arms, wrists, and the torso for me. The echo hugs my frame a little more and the wrists fit more snug and of course include the hidden mitten. It fits a little larger than a Patagonia Lightweight Medium, to me any way. Kind of slim but not tight  Roughly the same length. Echo is 4.6 oz – capilene 4.1 oz . The fabric seems nearly identical , but the Echo “Alloy” color is nearly see through so watch out for that if it makes a difference to you or the people you hike with! The blue color Echo hoody is not see through at all…

I want to try the Echo 1/4 zips and T-shirt once my capilenes get worn to rags…

Do you have a way to try one (or two) out and return the one that doesn’t fit? Given the inconsistency so far, personal opinions about fit will likely only make it more confusing. Inconsistency in manufacturing garments is not unheard of, especially in the outdoor equipment world.

(Back in September, I waffled between an XL and a L, and settled with an XL. I figured that my primary use (shoulder season & chilly nights/mornings) warranted a little extra wiggle room.)

I like it – a lot, and I usually use it layered under other layers. And when I’m not wearing the hood, it’s not annoying because the fabric is so light.

And the fit? It’s “fine”, but I know that doesn’t help… ;>)

I just bought a Small size hoody – second version without the drawstring. It feels like a slim fit to me. I cannot compare to Capilene but I have a small size Echo tee and it fits about the same but the arms and torso are definitely slim cut in my opinion as you’d expect a baselayer to fit – as opposed to a more baggy fit like a typical “hoody”. Hope that helps.

It looks like David P has pretty conclusive photographic proof for you.  I need to add that I have not tried on any of the Patagonia Capilene LW offerings, and the last Patagonia Capilene baselayers I have tried on were the numbered versions (Cap 1, Cap 2, Cap 3, Cap 4) which was a few years ago, perhaps they have changed their fit – it wouldn’t be the first time.

Also my OR Echo experience is with the 2018 models.  They have recently changed the seam configuration I see, so they may have changed the fit as well.  If so that would be a bummer, as I really like the fit of my 2017-2018 stuff.

Thanks for so much info!  I’ll probably just er to the larger size and return it if I need.  Appreciate the input!

Looks like Gerry already purchased but the Echo Hoody has been a favorite of mine for several years so thought I would make a couple of notes just-in-case it helps anyone else:

Old Version is distinctly baggier – I liked the baggy fit of the old version (I almost always have this on over something else and as much for sun protection as warmth) and wore a LG – I sized up to an XL in the newer (cuffins) version.

One trade off with the cuffins on the newer version is that I can no longer reasonably/easily get the sleeves/cuffs up over my elbows (to vent a little – my arms are not stick thin but certainly in no way ‘body builder like’) – the cuffin addition is a nice detail but not being able to push up the arms is a downside.

(And the drawstring vs no drawstring on the hood hasn’t mattered yet to me even with a bit of use in windy weather…)

Fwiw I recently purchased a Free Fly Midweight Hoody – wouldn’t say it directly compares to the Echo (the Free Fly piece is labeled Midweight piece and I would call the Echo ‘Lightweight’ – the heavier fabric of the Free Fly doesn’t feel as breezy as the Echo but the higher UPF rating is a nice detail…) – mentioning it because the fit reminds me of my older Echo Hoody, nice and ‘casual baggy’…

Thanks Charles, was wondering how the old and new model compared.
I have an old Echo Hoody in Medium which is good but wouldn’t want to go much slimmer. Got a Large one which is way too loose for me. From your description new model Medium is more from fitting so perhaps I better check out the Large again.

That stinks.  I assume they messed with the sizing on the rest of the line too.

For anyone coming back to this thread and making it to the bottom it is now 2/6/2020 and I just tried on one of the Echo Hoodies that Outdoor Research shipped for 2020 and thought I would add some notes on the changes:

• The Spring 2020 version fit seems almost exactly like the pre-2019 fit (you might read above but I would call the 2020 version pleasantly loose – the 2019 version was too tight especially in the arms)
• The Spring 2020 version is back to thumb holes (no cuffins like in 2019 – thumb holes basically the same as earlier version although the construction is slightly simpler).
• The Spring 2020 version has the 2019 no-draw-cord hood and neck cut (this is functional and I thought both designs were fine)
• The Spring 2020 version doesn’t have the small zippered side pocket – I don’t remember which previous versions did/didn’t have that pocket probably because I never found it useful…

Maybe the most interesting piece to come out since many of the posts above is the Patagonia Cap Cool Daily Hoody (and the Free Fly apparel mentioned in my post above is also still available) – but overall, especially with the return to the older fit, the Echo Hoody has worked so well for me over the years that I think I will be buying one of the new 2020 pieces to add to my closet.

Appreciate the photos David. It helped me finally commit to the OR Echo. I have been conflicted between the two.

“The Spring 2020 version doesn’t have the small zippered side pocket – I don’t remember which previous versions did/didn’t have that pocket….”   FWIW, my 2019 no side pocket.

My Rab Pulse hoody seems pretty similar to Echo. The Motiv fabric is soft against skin and wicks/ dries quick. 4.1 ounces, 30+ UPF.  Regular fit, I’m 42 chest and large fits well as base layer. Not loose, but not restrictive in shoulders arms.

I believe the Rab Pulse and Patagonia Cap Lightweight (which is no longer on the Patagonia site) use the same fabric as the OR Echo.  I wish there were more light colors available.  I have some light colors and some dark colors and I can really tell a difference on summer runs in the sun.

.THIS version has the Zippered stealth security pocket

I believe the Rab Pulse and Patagonia Cap Lightweight (which is no longer on the Patagonia site) use the same fabric as the OR Echo. I wish there were more light colors available.

Yes, very similar. Think it’s what they call  Motiv-G and also use in the Interval line. There’s a good review on B&P, seemed to have durability issues. I’ve just used it with my Talon 22 and rubbed it against some scrub on narrow trails without a problem. Hood stuck to Velcro on back of my cap, but did not actually cause a snag. After using three days in sunny 75+ degree weather I found it needed a wash despite the Polygiene. With the Toray Makspec on my Peloton 97  I can actually go several days without a wash.