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Nemo Nocturne 15 vs EE Revelation Quilt for Side/Tummy sleeper

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Chris T BPL Member
PostedJun 21, 2017 at 6:11 am

<p style=”text-align: left;”>Hi I am new to this world o backpacking (4, 2-3 solo trips total) and am planning my first thru hike, not a long one…150 miles for just after labor day. I am looking at day time temps in the mid 50s to 60s, but usual nighttime temps in mid to low 30s with temps in the mid to low 20s being entire possible. Should be dry. Unless it’s not. It which case it will be wet. On ne sais jamais. Y’all know how it is in the northeast.</p>
Anyway I got a double walled tent that is EMS’ Copper Spur clone and it’s weighing in at 2 lbs 6 ozs with stakes, guys and footprint after 2 minor modifications. I don’t LOVE it. But the whole package new with footprint was $105. And I picked up the Nemo Tensor Insulated pad open box new for $95 which I def LOVE and is the same weight as the XTherm, 15 oz and preformed beyond expectations in its first field test. So 3 lbs 5 oz in I want to upgrade my bag or maybe move to a quilt. Having saved some $$ with these first 2 purchases – I am thinking I can buy what I really want.

I say I am a side/tummy sleeper but my real preferred sleeping position is the “flamingo” (if you have never tried it, it’s amazing!) I can live with a mummy bag for warmth and weight if I have to but I find them uncomfortable. I have been looking at both the Nemo Nocturne 15 (750 fill down) And the EE Revelation. I have never slept with a quilt and I do move around a lot. (Rolling from left side flamingo to right side flamingo is work even in sheets.) My first and only night im my buddys hammock was uh…interesting. There may or may not have been screaming involved.

I seem to conveniently sleep right at the EN comfort level in just long undies – no baselayer or puffy. I like my puffy as a pillow.

The quilt has 4 or 5 ozs of weight advantage. But I will probably never be able to sleep in a hammock so it won’t ever be a double duty item. But I could see how a quilt would be nice on warmer trips to spread out. At the same time I can see myself freezing at 35 degrees after I have managed to pull it off me entirely after a few hours of flopping around.

On the other hand this Nemo spoon shaped bag and the reviews from other “active” sleepers seem enticing. It would be nice if they sold it with 800+ fill down and got it down about 3 or 4 more ozs (it’s listed at 2 lbs 5 ozs) for the price they are asking considering it’s duck (not goose) I think. But I want to get something I am comfy and sleep well in without falling into the spec for value trap.

I probably won’t be able to really test beyond a few nights out in August. If you know upstate New York, my trip is scheduled pretty much that week when mother nature flips the switch and says “its below freezing at night now.” I may get lucky last week of August and can get up there to take it out. (Its when my boss would give me the time off – he knows this is a thru hike so I probably have a few days of flexibility in the event of a downpour, but I probably can’t push this back like a week or I would.) This trail has plentiful state sanctioned campsites with fire rings and not a lot of people so I should be fine to warm up at night. Plus I think fires are allowed at stealth campsites (which are also legal at the 150 ft mark) but I prefer to leave no trace.

In general the coldest consistent temps I will probably sleep in are mid teens to 20s. Ideally I would like to be able to take this out in those temps as well once or twice per year. Which is why now I am leaning toward bag so I can get a liner.

Any thoughts on these two compared. Or any other ideas for gear that could work?

Thanks in advance!

 

JCH BPL Member
PostedJun 21, 2017 at 7:36 am

Never used the Nemo, but a 10* Reg/Reg Enigma is 850 WP down vs. 750, $65 cheaper and 1 lb lighter.  In the end, you are the only one who can decide which is most comfortable :)

PostedJun 21, 2017 at 10:53 am

It’s personal taste for me, but I flip around a lot and so switch to a bag if things drop much below freezing.

PostedJun 21, 2017 at 5:35 pm

ha ha the flamingo. I sleep that way sometimes too. I own an EE revelation (OK, so I own two: a 20 degree down short/standard width, and a 40 degree Apex short/wide width).

Two things I would do differently if I was buying a replacement for my 20 degree quilt —  I’d go ahead and get it in wide because it’s easier to keep it tucked under me even if I change my sleeping position in the middle of the night (and it probably covers you better if you are sleeping in the flamingo). I like my wide Apex quilt for that (and my super skinny 6 year old loves the wider quilts too — I wish I had gotten her a standard width vs the narrow width).

The other thing I would do is get a warmer quilt. I don’t think they keep one warm down to their temperature rating but maybe it’s just me. I would have guessed my 20 degree quilt would keep me warm down to 30 but by 40 I’m having to cinch up all the straps and wear my hoodlum or a hat, etc.

 

Chris T BPL Member
PostedJun 22, 2017 at 8:37 am

Ahhhh a wide sized quilt is a good idea! I NEVER use the hood on my bag. And a wide quilt I can probably wrap around and not toss off. That’s a great idea. And I can look into the 10 degree too. It seems like the EE quilts are so light there won’t be much ofa weight penalty.

I have to to look into this Enigma too. See what I can find.

 

Is the EE quilt a solid month and a half in production? I want to make sure I order in time if I go that way

 

JCH BPL Member
PostedJun 22, 2017 at 11:09 am

EE usually has ready to ship (“on the shelf”) quilts, but currently only seem to have a 40* Revelation.  In the “made to order” section of the site, they are currently quoting 5-7 week delivery times.  If you are buying a 10* I’d recommend the Enigma (closed footbox) over the Revelation (draw cord footbox), but YMMV, HYOH and all that.

Jim Colten BPL Member
PostedJun 22, 2017 at 4:33 pm

This “wide body” hiker finds EE regular width Revelation quilts wide enough.  I tend to rotate between right side, back and left side about hourly all night … some times with legs straight sometimes with knees bent.  I did opt for a wide 0 degree Rev though … not convinced it was necessary.

YMMV of course.

Regarding their “on the shelf” and “warehouse” sections … check shortly after 1:00PM Central timezone for the best selection.

Tim Marshall BPL Member
PostedJun 28, 2017 at 8:58 am

I will just comment quickly on lead times and ready to ship products.

Just this week we reduced “made to order” lead times for down products to 4-6 weeks, we are working very hard to bring this number down but it’s slow going, our staff go camping in the summer too.

We are once again producing “on the shelf” Revelations in 20*, with other temps coming after these are back up.  We had stopped briefly to fulfill a commitment to MassDrop.  Those should start making their way onto the site next week.

Every Monday at 1PM CDT we add 20-40 units to our “Warehouse” page.  These are returns, 2nds, canceled or changed orders etc. and are ready to ship right away.  They typically go very quickly however.

Hopefully this info helps with some planning

-Tim

Michael S BPL Member
PostedJun 29, 2017 at 5:40 pm

I’m a big fan of Nemo products. I have the Nocturne 15 and it is good to go down into the 20’s if you wear proper sleep attire. I wear a smartwool long sleeve shirt, smartwool socks and a cheap pair of poly stretch pants no idea the brand. I stay nice and warm down into the 20’s on on the Tensor.

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