Light(est) 3 layer rain jacket/pants

“Ultralight” and “bomber” are at odds with each other. For bulletproof rain protection, I like Outdry (or a silnylon Packa/Poncho). Outdry is more like “light” than “ultralight”, but it cannot wet out, so it is less likely to encourage condensation under the jacket.

AFAIK, EE Visp is the lightest 3L jacket with pit zips. It is pretty great for an ultralight jacket. I would be careful about bushwhacking in it. Like most WPBs, it wets out after half an hour of heavy rain, so expect some condensation while active. The light weight makes it slightly less warm than other WPBs, which is an advantage in warmer weather.

Rab Phantom is often called the “lightest”, but it is an anorak so I would not even consider it, personally. Oddly, I have never seen anyone comment on the Rab Cinder Phantom, which is an actual jacket made of the same stuff (7D Pertex Shield 2.5 layer). Rab claims it is 100g (3oz) in size Medium, which is as light as WPBs get. Wear long sleeves under it (at least a Brynje), because 2.5 layer does not protect the membrane from the oils in your sweat. Same caveats as Visp regarding condensation.

For bushwhacking I would try military surplus, like the ECWCS L6. Users like them, and they are reasonably lightweight for tough garments. I have an L4 — it isn’t exceptional for weight or breathability, but it would be my first choice for bushwhacking.

I have Pa hantom and for what it is and what it weighs, it does pretty well.  I have the top and bottom; really nice for day hikes or even backpacking with a favorable forecast.

Don’t need bombproof, I’ve got that covered w/ some Sitka stuff.

Want something in between, but not 2 or 2.5- have had plenty of those of the years; they work OK but don’t last long and don’t perform like a 3 layer.

The Rab Flashpoint fit the bill pretty well.  If someone can make a 3 layer rain jacket ten years ago that weighs 7 oz, surely someone could still make one :)

On the Visp, any idea what the “Restraint” is-some kind DWR?  Sizing on the Visp?

Thanks

Yes, Visp sounds like what you’re asking for.

The “with/without restraint” on EE’s web page is referring to the testing standard. I think it has something to do with protecting the fabric from bursting. 10,000mm of water is a column 30 feet tall, so that’s a lot of pressure. Triple it for 28,000mm. At those pressures, a few thousand mm one way or the other doesn’t matter much — the stuff is very waterproof.

EE (correctly) cuts shells generously for ventilation and layering. Trim and athletic cuts don’t make sense for shells (except for special uses such as cycling, mountaineering, or canyoneering). Mostly trim fits are for style rather than function (other than base layers).

Thanks!

My old Rab Demand is 3 ply Event and yes, it’s bombproof…or was. I haven’t tested it recently. Of course it’s discontinued, and was an anorak, which I consider a plus. Where I hike if it’s storming it’s cold, so venting by unzipping isn’t necessary.

Looks like the Demand predates the Flashpoint by a couple of years.

Funny Rab isn’t making anything similar to either piece, must be a sales issue.

Yes, good point about anoraks. Some people like them. They are popular in Britain. OTOH, I add front zippers and pit zips to garments that don’t have them. Clearly, personal preferences (and climates) vary.

Demand predates the Flashpoint by a couple of years.

Funny Rab isn’t making anything similar to either piece

The Visp fabric is a rare balance of 3L WPB and very light weight fabric. Z-Packs Vertice is the only other jacket I know of in the same weight range. Most other WPBs are twice the weight or more. Rab has GoreTex and Phantom — they probably figure that covers the range pretty well. I agree that a lightweight 3L is worth a couple of extra ounces.

That said, I also like OR’s AscentShell, which are a few ounces heavier than Visp, but are more rugged (and have pockets!). The AscentShell membranes are very high performance in Stephen Seeber’s testing.

I am more likely to wear Outdry or AscentShell when I expect rain, and carry the Visp. Again, that’s just me… YMMV.

Looked up the Ascent; for that weight I’d probably just grab my Sitka about an ounce lighter- 3 layer Goretex and has 17” pitzips, double adjustable hood, etc, etc

Ive used this jacket (and pants) in some really nasty (and sustained) weather conditions and climbing through terrible (miles) blowdown.

If I’m packing them I’m fully expecting the worst :)

Mike, another option to consider is the Patagonia Storm Racer Jacket. I don’t have personal experience with it, but it is listed as 3L and 7.2 ounces. More marketed towards the running world but looks to be simple and I suspect good quality.

I’ll check that one out; had never heard of that one :)

One concern with running jackets is the slim fit.  They’ll “wet out” from the inside quickly, especially if they don’t have pit zips

I know you’re looking for 3 layer, but the Montbell Torrent Flier is pretty sweet. Otherwise, their 3 layer Storm Cruiser might work for you. I have both.

Those both look pretty good; I’ve had good luck with Montbell stuff :)

I just ordered a pair of the Montbell Storm Cruiser pants; 3 layer Gore, half zip for 7.6 oz—not too bad.

I looked closely over my old Rab Flashpoint and while it has a few small patched holes, no signs of delamination, so probably hold off for a bit on the jacket.  My buddy just bought this jacket (Alpha Lightweight jacket) from Arcteryx; it fits the bill, but $500 is just a bit steeper than I want to spend

https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mens/alpha-lightweight-jacket

Tuning in here. I have the Flashpoint too and I’m guarding it with my life. Best shell I’ve ever owned. Been watching for NOS andightly used but they are hens teeth now.

Always leaves you scratching your head when a company hits a home run, only to discontinue it.  Guess it just didn’t sell all that well.

Biased rant – you know me.

The marketing problem with the ‘perfect product’ is that it leaves the customers unwilling to discard it and buy the next gen product – which can be unfortunate for cash flow. What most modern vendors want to do is to keep selling new products to replace old ones, rather than meeting the consumer’s needs.

Which may be why some small cottage companies keep succeeding: no bean counters and no big marketing departments.

Cheers

What about the new Mont-Bell Peak Shell – it’s 3-Layer, pretty full featured and 7oz.  I’ve not tried it but generally like Mont-Bell stuff.

Roger- no doubt a lot of truth to that.

Brad- had not seen that, must be relatively new. 3 layer AND pit zips for 7 oz- Wow!

Ive had good luck with Montbell too.

I’ll add a new member of the three layer, ultralight jackets—Sitka (who is owned by Gore) just introduced their Dewpoint UL. I have their ‘regular” Dewpoint jacket & pants, and while not ultralight (they are pretty fully featured) still light and have been impressed with them.

Soooo…. I just got one of there Dewpoint UL’s, have only had it light rain, but so far so good. 7.5 oz for a 3 layer jacket is pretty good.

Mike,

Nice looking jacket. Did you weigh it yourself or is that 7.5 ounces you reference from Sitka? What size did you get?

Thanks.

size Large, 7.2 oz on my scale :)

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