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    jscott
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    @book

    Locale: Northern California

    here’s one review of Koonin’s book among many by reputable people in reputable publications. this took all of two minutes to find.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-book-manages-to-get-climate-science-badly-wrong/

    I suppose Koonin and his supporters will claim this merely proves that “the elite” have it in for global warming deniers. But any contrarian could claim the same thing, and often does, when consensus science disagrees with them and shows how their analysis is wrong.

    in the end, I trust my own eyes. Lyell glacier was the largest glacier in the Sierra and had been when I began backpacking. There are two photos at the head of this article. it’s exactly what i’ve seen. And everyone knows this process has continued worldwide.

    https://story.californiasunday.com/lyell-glacier-yosemite/

    #3833079
    Roger Caffin
    BPL Member

    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    Switzerland, today and 10 – 20 years ago.

    (I cannot remember the source – sorry.)
    Cheers

    #3833082
    Jerry Adams
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    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    I’ve read koonin’s book.  And that review of koonin’s book.

    His conclusion at the end is pretty good i think.  He says that global warming is happening, but any changes we’ve seen so far are subtle.  Like, it’s difficult to see any changes in hurricanes because of global warming.  Or droughts. Or sea level has only risen an insignificant amount…

    He didn’t mention the arctic though.  As I remember.  Thats where there is the most change due to climate change.  Maybe he doesn’t mention this because it contradicts his argument.

    He says increasing co2 won’t make any difference because all the co2 is already blocked.  Its like a window that’s painted black won’t let and less light through it if you put more black paint on it.  Except if you put more co2 in the atmosphere, the IR will be absorbed at a lower altitude, so it’ll get warmer lower in the atmosphere, which will probably make a bigger change to the climate.

    Towards the end of his book, koonin says that he acknowledges global warming is happening, but we don’t know if it’s going to be that bad.  Therefore, we should do more research to figure this out,  and in the mean time, we should at least make easy changes.

    I kind of agree with that but I think I would consider more things easy enough we should do.  Solar and wind is cheaper than fossil fuels so we should definitely max out on those, for example.

    I kind of disagree with koonins concept that you should only do things when you’re sure this is a crisis.  Just the opposite, if you’re not sure, you should take more action.

    We only have limited resources so we do the most important things first.  And there are a lot of other problems besides global warming we also have to work on.

     

    #3833085
    Roger Caffin
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    @rcaffin

    Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe

    there are a lot of other problems besides global warming we also have to work on.
    Like maybe how to reduce Musk’s IRS bill to zero?

    Cheers

    #3833090
    John Conley
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    @jchinthe-2

    Hi Jerry Adams,

    Thank you for your very thoughtful views on the book “Unsettled” by Koonin. All the best.

    #3833091
    Jerry Adams
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    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    I interpret that as you disagree with me : )

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