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Kindle as a Trail Tool

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PostedMar 13, 2018 at 10:24 pm

Maybe I’m just too optimistic… I bought a Kindle Oasis. I’m heading over to the British Isles to (hopefully) do a lot of hiking, The Cape Wrath Trail is on the list….( we all want bicycles for Christmas.) So I’ve got a two foot stack of guide books, 5 paper maps that weigh more than a pound (and they cover less than 10% of the routes I’m planning.) I did pay for a year’s access to the UK’s Ordnance Survey online access ($36 US)  (Excellent mapping, inadequate 19th Century design… but usable. If you weren’t sure I guess I can be a crank.)  The Cicerone Cape Wrath Book came from Amazon UK. It weighs 8 ounces (just over 7 oz with the vinyl cover removed.) The Skye Trail guide weighs 5.5 ounces…. can you see where this is going? (btw the scale on all the maps seems to be about 1 km/2 cm but nowhere does it say this. I’m a bit slow but when you see a grid on OS maps it’s 1 km. I was adding DIY Scales when I noticed the grid.. so maybe I’m missing something about the Kindle.)

So I found there’s a Kindle version of these guides. Terrific. Using the Kindle Reader on my MacBook Pro and on my 5 year old iPad, it looks great! I can zoom in on the maps that are a strain on my old eyes.

However, on the Top of the Line brand new Kindle Oasis…. the maps are worthless gray blurs. The pdfs I made: some open, some won’t, of those that open, they do zoom in better than the images in the Kindle books, but then they jump around in strange ways and some of the pages won’t load.  The maps could be usable, but not if some pages don’t load.

If I’m totally wrong about the Kindle being completely worthless as an alternative map–let me know. Please. I think however it’s okay for text. But even here every gesture you make, every time you try to navigate back to your library–it’s a sales opportunity!

It’s also terrible for big, jumping around guidebooks like the Lonely Planet. I know, I tried going without the heavy printed version for Japan. The Kindle versions of these guidebooks are just as bad on the MacBook and iPad. Total headache navigating to the pages you need today. Going to Kyoto? Do a search and every single reference to Kyoto anywhere in the book shows up. Which ones are the chapter on Kyoto? There’s a small chance you might actually find some of the Found Pages in that particular chapter.  Know all that stuff you never ever read? Things to do with kids, high priced hotels, over priced restaurants…? No way around it,  you just have to slog through to get to where you want to go. You end up spending most of your time scrolling through this noise (to you) and you still miss the pages you’re looking for. Try searching? You’ll find Jimmy Hoffa sooner.

I’d take the iPad, but it’s just too heavy (and cracked). The new ones aren’t much lighter…. I think people brighter than me just got the larger sized smart phones and use these instead of pads or Kindles.

One thing I have been doing is shooting photos of the pages in guidebooks I can’t possibly carry, I did screen captures from the OS survey maps. (there’s a way to print them out, but I haven’t figured that out yet. So to start mostly I’m screen capturing big local day hikes because these are more area and less linear.) I can view these on my iPhone or MacBook.  I’m not violating copyright unless I pass around copies, and it helps my old eyes reading details on the maps.

Kindle? It seemed to have so much promise. It just never got any better. It really hasn’t. I have one that’s a few years old, this one is new? I don’t see any difference.

Thanks for reading. Let me know what you’ve done for maps.

PostedMar 13, 2018 at 11:44 pm

picking up a last gen version of one of the big phones would seem to be the best solution. Kindles are good for reading text, not much else.

Diane Pinkers BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2018 at 3:38 am

I killed a Kindle on the Northern Loop trail on Mt. Rainier.  It was our last night out, and it was unexpectedly cold and wet.  The e-ink froze and the display would not work. I don’t know if the current generation would have the same issue. Nowadays, I take my Samsung Note 8 on the trail, and use the Kindle app for reading in bed at night, Gaia for navigation, and Earthmate for navigation and syncing with my InReach.  Plus apps for wildflower and bird ID.  I carry a battery pack to make sure I have enough power, so I don’t know that I’m saving any weight, but It is less bulky.

MJ H BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2018 at 3:45 am

I take my Kindle out because I like to read and I don’t like to worry about my phone battery, but I’ve never used it successfully for anything but text without frustration.

(The title of this thread made me think it was about sharpening an edge of the Kindle to serve as a digging or cutting tool.)

Nick Gatel BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2018 at 5:45 am

Sounds like an iPad really would work best for you. So an iPad weighs around 16 ounces vs 7 ounces for a Kindle that won’t do the job. Why not bring the extra 9 ounces and have it do what you want?

PostedMar 14, 2018 at 5:50 am

iPad mini only weighs 10 oz. But the iPads only have 10-hour battery life, might be an issue on multi-day trips.

PostedMar 14, 2018 at 1:56 pm

Good information. Reading Diane Pinkers “I killed a Kindle…” Geez, I’m not that pissed off… Everything is near waterproof now. I soaked a Nikon 7200, iPhone 6s on Yakushima, they both eventually dried out couple of days. A friend’s iPhone 5 drowned. All this stuff should’ve been waterproof years ago.

MJ H: I’m not much of an e-reader, but I am a reader, audiobooks, paper; if an e-book then on my heavy old cracked iPad. Take a look at the Kindle books on the iPad, if you’re not off the grid for more than a few days…. The Cape Wrath Guide Kindle book is better than the print edition on a pad or ‘puter screen than even the printed version.

Nick and Doug BINGO.  Big Duh! on me. That’s exactly what I should do.  I just totally missed it. (Maybe because I pick up my old iPad and think ‘cinderblock’.)  Of course. I also have the biggest Anker battery ever. The iPad Mini has to be at least as big as the Kindle…. and significantly higher color resolution. Much appreciated. [Sure he’s old, just tap him in the head a couple of times… one of the wires is loose or something. Usually fixes it. There see? He’s getting the mini. Printed circuits? He’s 62!– not even transistors in there. That dudes’s all vacuum tubes–like the Eniac, but not as smart.]

OK: Here’s what I just learned. MacRumors https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#iPad  A reliable source has both the iPad Mini 4 and the iPad as ‘Don’t Buy.’ Not because they’re bad, but because it’s been a year (in exactly 1 week) since they were updated. So…. I should wait. It’s probably a matter of weeks. The first part of my travels is around London. My son is coming over in a month (be fun to send him into the Apple Store…maybe convert him. There’s also Apple Stores in the UK (and 20%VATax)

Specs iPad 9.4 x 6.6″ 1.03 lbs 32.4 Watt hour battery ‘up to 10 hours’

iPad Mini 4:  8 x 5.3″  .65 lbs 19.1 Wh batt. ‘up to 10 hours’

Thank you all.

 

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2018 at 3:48 pm

Your focus seems to be recreating paper maps as weightless 0s and 1s. Whereas a modern mapping app in a device with GPS is *so much* easier to use. No triangulating off of distant peaks (rather hard in the dark or clouds) nor wondering if you’re on this little rise or the other one.

You’re always where the little dot shows you are. I’ve found some non-hiking mapping apps useful at times and the hiking-specific options more so.

So: a larger water-proofish phone, with eBooks and mapping apps on board. Put it in energy-saving mode and consider an external battery pack.

Paul S. BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2018 at 5:21 pm

A refurb iPad Mini from Apple has the same 1 year warranty and usually a nice discount.

If you want to use an iPad for navigation you need to get the LTE upgrade for GPS.  The standard ones don’t come with a GPS chip.

Nick Gatel BPL Member
PostedMar 14, 2018 at 8:26 pm

Nick and Doug BINGO.  Big Duh! on me. That’s exactly what I should do.  I just totally missed it. (Maybe because I pick up my old iPad and think ‘cinderblock’.)

10 hours of battery use is 10 hours of use. How much time a day will you use it? Select your charging solution based on this.

I carry no electronics backpacking except for a headlamp and sometimes a camera. But not to say it is a superior solution. Here on BPL, we often give priority to weight over needed function.

BPL member, Dan Durston, an UL affectionado, used an iPad on a couple long thru hikes. You might want to go through his blog:

https://intocascadia.com

 

PostedMar 14, 2018 at 11:17 pm

6.4 oz will get you a 10k battery pack to refill the device. I think 20k runs 13.4oz.

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