Is there a Co in this space as Bold & Principled as Patagonia?

“Microplastics blowing in the wind.”

And the silnylon or silpoly from bivysacks/tarps never breaks down……

LOL

Those that live in glass houses…..

Those that peddle silnylon…..

;)

But true that Patagonia must make a tidy profit from its Armed forces contracts…..

Should the US armed forces be supplied by Chinese companies?

True all plastics have to go somewhere, but an overwhelming amount of micro plastics come from laundering synthetic clothing. Every time you wash. If on the other hand you have a pack or tent that is washed once in a great while and not exposed to the turbulence of a washing machine, less is sent into the water stream. Old nylon can then be landfilled whole, or better yet reclaimed in a waste to energy plant like we do locally. Helly Hansen started polypro undies, but Patagonia marketed it to the world and now is why there is so much fleece leaking pollution everywhere from many manufacturers. And they make their fabrics overseas too.

all you have to do is put a little triangle with a number on it on your fleece and the problem is solved </sarcasm>

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-the-public-into-believing-plastic-would-be-recycled

“Here’s the basic problem: All used plastic can be turned into new things, but picking it up, sorting it out and melting it down is expensive. Plastic also degrades each time it is reused, meaning it can’t be reused more than once or twice.

On the other hand, new plastic is cheap. It’s made from oil and gas, and it’s almost always less expensive and of better quality to just start fresh…

Thomas took over back in the late 1980s, and back then, plastic was in a crisis. There was too much plastic trash. The public was getting upset…

The “viability of the industry and the profitability of your company” are at stake.”

so, the purpose of all these recycling programs is to improve public opinion about plastic so the industry could sell more, even though it’s never worked

soda bottles and milk jugs are the only things that are actually economically viable recycling

“You know, they were not interested in putting any real money or effort into recycling because they wanted to sell virgin material,” Thomas says. “Nobody that is producing a virgin product wants something to come along that is going to replace it. Produce more virgin material — that’s their business.”

And they are. Analysts now expect plastic production to triple by 2050.”

I prefer companies to be involved in charities, not politics.

As far as Citizens United goes, the argument that it made corporations into human beings is nonsense. The New York Times Corporation, Disney Corporation, Washington Post Corporation, etc. have all had freedom of the press rights. If you say they don’t have rights, then the government can regulate what those corporations can print and say.

You don’t get to pick and choose what rights apply.

Reduction in plastic use is the better solution. Recycling works for  a few things. Turning the old plastics into electricity can be better than the landfill if hot enough and with enough filters. Locally it has a much smaller carbon footprint since it produces more CO2 to train the garbage to the landfill than is made in electricity production and unlike wind, can be timed to generate at times of peak need.

Goretex type materials are proving to be a health issue.https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/drinking-water-health-advisories-pfoa-and-pfos

Yvon likes to fish, so that’s okay to support, He doesn’t like to hunt, so that is not okay.

Notice the Outdoor Retailers have not put their money where their mouth is in terms of providing tax dollars to fund habitat. Suggestions of an excise tax like the Pittman-Robertson act that has provided billions in money to the states to help recovery of animals has not been welcomed. The sale of guns and bullets funds that. Sale of fishing stuff fund some as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman–Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act

Yvon and ilk have been pretty smart in giving a portion of what the excise tax would have provided and still getting good press.

https://outdoorindustry.org/article/where-we-stand-on-the-backpack-tax/

Poor babies think they are already over taxed because they import so much.

if they made plastic out of plants, and designed it to degrade in the environment, that would solve both the CO2 problem and the plastic in the ocean problem

make plastic into food for micro organisms

this would not satisfy the petroleum business though

also, convert use of plastic to sustainable materials, like rather than styrofoam bubbles in your package from amazon, use crumpled paper

citizens united – made corporations into human beings – just a slogan

what’s important is that it further allows corporations and super wealthy people to spend unlimited amounts to politicians – anonymous, tax free

furthers our path towards inequities between super wealthy and the majority on the bottom of the economic scale.  For decades, wealth and income of the majority have stagnated, super wealthy have gobbled up their share

This inequity is destabilizing democracy

Corporations should have the legal right to legal protections like the government is required to get a warrant before searching and seizing, lots of other rights

We have the best government money can buy

uh oh, chaff has leaked over to the other side

again : )

“Pedestrian” is keerect,

Corporations are ALWAYS in politics one way or another. These days we have “the best tax laws money can buy” – i.e. bought by corporations.

GOOGLE the RAND Corporation report, “Income Trends From 1975 to 2018”. It lays out in painful detail how since 1975 (Ronnie Regan’s 1st presidency) our lower and missile classes have SHRUNK in wealth and the top 5% hasgeatly increased in wealth.

Report Conclusion: WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THIS TREND  There is an end to the wealth that the top can suck from the rest of us – and it is approaching.