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I Need Help With a Bivy Issue

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Lowell k BPL Member
PostedAug 8, 2021 at 2:05 pm

My planned sleep system for a September Sierrea trip is a MLD tarp, XTherm, EE 20 degree quilt, down bottoms and a bivy. I am having trouble finding a high quality bivy due to manufacturer delays, but I can easily get a SOL bivy or MSR e-bivy. I read that these do not breathe well but I think I would only need a bivy if it rains at night. I can also get the OR Emergency Bivy, but not sure how it breathes. I am trying to keep the weight around 8 oz.

The other option is to forget the bivy and take my Lunar Solo.

Any suggestions appreciated.

LK

David Thomas BPL Member
PostedAug 8, 2021 at 2:22 pm

I’ve used the SOL bivy for a night in the Aleutians.  I like its small size and low weight, especially when I’m not sure I’ll even use it.  My down quilt was okay inside, but had more moisture in it the next morning (from body moisture).  I wouldn’t want to rely on it night after night in a setting without semi-guaranteed decent days during which I could dry out my quilt again (e.g. the California Sierra during summer).

PostedAug 8, 2021 at 6:08 pm

The SOL bivy will certainly not breathe. It’s not too awful when paired with a synthetic bag/quilt that dries out fast, but with down it would be for just in case day hikes only IMO.

I use the Montbell Breeze Dry-Tec WPB sleeping bag cover (8.1 oz) in size Long/Wide and I find it breathes pretty well. I first bought the regular size (6.3 oz), but found it too small for me (200 lbs), so I opted instead for the larger one. MB now offers a Wide that is 7.6 oz, however they aren’t in stock at present. The Long/Wide is plenty roomy for up to a 20 degree bag.  https://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=14007&p_id=1121330

Montbell also has a Tyvek breathable sleeping bag cover (5.2 oz), but it isn’t completely waterproof and it only comes in one size. https://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1121323

 

Lowell k BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 8:25 am

David – thanks, helps clarify the role of SOL

Monte – thanks for the link, the long is 101 inches, does that leave a lot of length unused? Also, how do you find the shoulder and leg girths?

Obx – thanks, I am thinking about the pinon that is listed, trying to figure out if I need a wide

PostedAug 9, 2021 at 9:23 am

Yes the length of the Long/Wide MB does leave a little bit unused, but it’s not a problem other than adding another half ounce of weight over the Regular/Wide version (I’m 5′ 10″). PLENTY of room around shoulders and hips with the LW even with my WM Alpinlite (which together allows me to go down to about 12 degrees with a good pad).

You might also consider the Outdoor Research Helium Emergency Bivy. It’s a pretty wide cut at 36″ (not tapered) and is 84″ long. Weighs 9.1 oz (without stuffsack) and is made with a breathable 2.5 layer Pertex Shield 30d nylon, whereas the Montbell is a 15d. And at $129 is better priced than the MB Long/Wide. You can probably find a 20% off on one of the gear sites if you search. https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/helium-emergency-bivy-269454?or_color=1134&or_size=1326&msclkid=af88796d9619149b27b6187cd34ac480&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=%5BSB%5D%20Tier%20B%3A%20DSA%20-%20US&utm_term=outdoorresearch&utm_content=DSA%20%7C%20All%20Pages

Erik G BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 11:08 am

Which MLD tarp would you be using? If it’s an 8′ x 10′ or a mid or Trailstar, then I’d say you probably don’t need a bivy for weather protection (edit: still rocking the Grace Duo? Same answer IMO). In September, mosquitos are usually a non-issue as well, especially so for dry years like this.

Brad W BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 11:28 am

Why not just bring S2S mosquito net and some polycro for ground tarp?

Luke Schmidt BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 12:46 pm

I have a bivy but rarely use it for bugs. Wear a baseball cap to bed with a light headset over that. Should work fine.

Lowell k BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 1:11 pm

Monte – thanks, the OR bivy looks like a good deal

Erik – I am using the Grace duo, the bivy is in case of rain, I am pretty protected when in the middle of the Duo except for rain that would come in from the head or feet area

Brad – I am also looking at bringing a bug bivy instead, they seem bigger and I think the bathtub design would prevent rain from getting me wet, but I don’t know if that is the case. I have a poly ground tarp, the bivy is just for rain protection, may a bit of added warmth too

Paul S BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 1:36 pm

I’ve used the SOL bivy with my WM Nano quilt in the Sierra. It sucks. I prefer no-bivy and just using a polycro groundsheet instead. I just purchased the SOL Escape lite (supposedly more breathable) as replacement… hoping it will be usable.  They are both pretty fragile FYI.

Hope that helps.

Brad W BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 2:10 pm

Regarding the SOL-are you referring to the breathable 8oz version or the 3.8oz emergency version? I have heard the 8oz breathes somewhat as is claimed.

Lowell k BPL Member
PostedAug 9, 2021 at 6:35 pm

It was suggested that I may not even need a bivy. If it rains while I am under my tarp I can use my pack liner as a foot bivy to keep splash-back and mist off of my feet.

PostedAug 10, 2021 at 9:42 am

WPB bivies are best and most efficiently utilized as:

1) An emergency overnight shelter that protects against rain, winds and adds a little bit of warmth. Great for just in case day hikes.

2) A stand alone SUL shelter that is made much more pleasant when combined with a mini tarp to cover head and torso. I’ve tried sleeping in a WPB bivy overnight in sustained rains before and I found that I go crazy without something to cover the head end. I use this 2.2 oz DCF mini tarp (52″ X 52″) which doubles as a rain kilt to cover my head and upper torso. Aside from lines and stakes it’s no added weight really, but it can make the night go so much better if sustained rains move in.

Mini tarp folded in half and utilized as a rain kilt. 

3) The next viable use of a WPB bivy is with a small and very light solo tarp like the 4.6 oz 7d silnylon tarp (57″ X 108″)  in the pic below. With a small tarp the bivy is really needed in moderate to heavy rains, but with a larger MLD Grace Solo or Duo, which  provides a lot more protection, I’m not so sure you can justify the bivy unless you take into account that it adds 5 to 8 degrees of warmth to your bag/quilt, and therefore allows you to pack a lighter bag/quilt. The problem with A frame tarps is that if you don’t have doors or some kind of vestibule(s) that can be attached you are vulnerable to blowing rains. Of course you can attach something like a rain kilt or rain jacket to the front (and rear) opening with small binder clips and it works well as long as the winds don’t get too strong.

With a WPB bivy the small tarp can be pitched higher and provide more space than what you see in the pic below.

4) And lastly some backpackers in very wet environments like to use a WPB bivy to keep the down in their bag/quilt from becoming damp. I hear that many who backpack in Olympic National Park and other temperate rainforests often use WPB bag covers like the Montbell Breeze Dry-Tec, but I haven’t seen it firsthand.

Lowell k BPL Member
PostedAug 10, 2021 at 9:56 am

Monte – what an excellent summary, I had not thought of using my rain kilt and rain jacket to cover the openings of my A frame tarp. I thinking picking a good camp site plus your suggestions will cover my needs.

Thanks!

Lowell

PostedAug 10, 2021 at 10:07 am

The small binder clips weigh 2.65 g each and work pretty well when attached over the tarp hem. Like I said, only the heaviest winds will bring failure.

Erik G BPL Member
PostedAug 10, 2021 at 2:30 pm

Yep, I vote no bivy. With the Grace Duo you should have plenty of coverage even in some serious downpour. Monte’s pro tips above are great for a little extra coverage/insurance. I use a MLD Cricket year round, including shoulder seasons in the Sierra and it has been great so far.

Enjoy your trip!

Paul S BPL Member
PostedAug 10, 2021 at 2:32 pm

Brad W – the 3.8 oz one was the one that I had bad bad condensation with. I’ve purchased the 5.5oz “Lite” version of the 8oz breathable. So there are:

3.8oz SOL emergency bivy (vapor barrier? does not breath whatsoever)

5.5oz SOL Escape lite bivy (trying this one)

8oz SOL Escape bivy

Brad W BPL Member
PostedAug 10, 2021 at 4:18 pm

@Paul S. The 8oz ‘breathable’ version seems to be somewhat breathable from the reviews I have seen. I carry the 3.8oz in my kit always.

Lowell k BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2021 at 3:21 pm

Lee – thanks, looks like I will be purchasing from them.

Brad W BPL Member
PostedAug 11, 2021 at 4:27 pm

I would jump on the Katabatic bivy. I have one and love it. Really nice for the price.

 

J-L BPL Member
PostedAug 29, 2021 at 4:42 pm

Hey Monte, how are you using the Montbell Breeze Dry-Tec WPB sleeping bag cover? Does your sleeping pad go on the inside or outside?

And is getting your bag inside the bag cover fairly easy? It seems like an interesting bivy alternative that could work well in colder temps.

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