- Apr 22, 2018 at 7:17 pm #3531769Ryan JordanAdmin
@ryanLocale: Central Rockies
Companion forum thread to: Hyperlite Mountain Gear Shell Jacket Review
The Hyperlite Mountain Gear Shell Jacket is made using Dyneema Composite Fabric bonded to a polyester fiber outer face for durability, and to a monolayer eVENT membrane on the inner face for breathability.Apr 22, 2018 at 8:14 pm #3531774Tom BenoBPL Member
@killerbLocale: Pacific Northwest
Same fabric LocusGear is using in their DCF-eVent shelters? I’m awfully tempted by the Khufu.Apr 22, 2018 at 8:31 pm #3531776Richard NisleyBPL Member
@richard295Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Didn’t this version’s polyester face fabric experience wet-out after the C6 was worn off or overwhelmed from a long duration rain?Apr 22, 2018 at 11:16 pm #3531794Robert MeurantBPL Member
I agree with Ryan’s criticism of the pocket, which I find useless, difficult to open, and too tight. If a single pocket, it wants to be a chest pocket to take either a large phone or sunglasses. I also miss having adequate side hand pockets just to keep my hands warm. The stitching on the cuffs is starting to come undone, and the velcro is cut straight there, so the square corners are a bit sharp, it would be better if they were rounded or simply a 45* snip to give blunter corners ( which I plan to do). The fit is definitely not suited to the athletic bodily challenged of us, even with an XL at 5ft 8.5” it is still a little constrictive when over puffy layers, but I’m not much worried by the long arms, the extra sleeve length tucks away nicely, and pleased with the long body length of the jacket. I bought it for the security of having good gear when I really need it and the light weight, so I don’t regret my choice at all. It is comfortable to wear, and performs well. But I’ve been spoilt by my ancient MontBell anorak wind shell, with generous kangaroo pocket and side pockets that tunnel through, and regard that as the ideal configuration for a rain jacket also. It packs into the kangaroo pocket. (But the old anorak quickly wets through; I see they have a newer version available). I’d like to see HMG produce a shell anorak that is looser fit than the Shell, and has the pocket configurations of the MB I describe, in the same fabric and seam techniques as the Shell.Apr 23, 2018 at 12:24 am #3531802LesBPL Member
I’ve had one of these for almost a year and so far its my go-to jacket unless I’m downhill skiing. i’ve had it out in the rain in the Olympics( where it can really rain!) and I didn’t get wet. One thing i’ve noticed that i haven’t heard anyone talk about is how comfortable it is. I mean your pack straps (hyper light pack that is anyway)seem to slide enough so everything is smooth and not bunched up anywhere. I am worried about the durability but they say with reasonable use will outlast anything in the weight class. I choked on the price, just like everyone else but when this jacket wears out i’m going to buy another one!
LesApr 23, 2018 at 3:02 am #3531815Jeff McWilliamsBPL Member
Also interested in longevity of the DWR and how it feels, breathability wise, after it wets out.
I think it would be interesting to see how high end jackets like this compare to paradigm shifting jackets with permanent DWR (Columbia OutDry Ex Featherweight, Marmot Eclipse)Apr 23, 2018 at 3:53 am #3531829James McCoyBPL Member
I completely agree about the pockets. The small pocket is next to useless and I also miss pockets to keep my hands warm. I like it a lot, but this past winter, I found that I often chose not to wear it and grabbed some older jackets.Apr 23, 2018 at 6:17 am #3531841David CaudwellBPL Member
@dcinbcLocale: Gulf Islands, Coastal BC
Great review, thanks!
I never thought I’d consider the ZPacks Vertice as good value at $299, but it’s all relative!
I think you have the Arcteryx Norvan rather than the Norvan SL in mind. The Norvan SL is 4.2oz and is the lightest choice of those compared by some margin. It is not however built with backpacking in mind.
I think the latest Montbell Versalite would also make a suitable contender in this weight class. More fully featured, almost as light, and “only” $199
Anyhow, I’m loving the new content and podcasts – thanks again!Apr 25, 2018 at 7:53 pm #3532202Ryan JordanAdmin
@ryanLocale: Central Rockies
Regarding DWR, it’s worth clearing up a few things.
Jul 6, 2018 at 8:50 pm #3545637John YatesBPL Member
- There is no C6 or any other DWR treatment on the outside face of this fabric. The outside face (polyester fiber + polymer adhesive nonwoven layer) is hydrophobic, but not in the surface tension sense. It’s hydrophobic in that there is no “structure” or “interstitial spaces” (like on a woven nylon or polyester) where water can creep in and wet out the surface. Water does not “bead” up on the surface like it does with a DWR-treated surface. That said, the outside face of the fabric does get “wet” but it doesn’t “wet out” like a woven, a few shakes of the jacket or wiping off the surface with a cloth leaves an almost imperceptibly thin film of water only, and this dries very fast when it’s not raining. Importantly, this doesn’t really impact breathability. Contrary to popular belief, a layer of water on the outside face of a fabric doesn’t “dramatically” inhibit the transport of water vapor molecules through a WPB membrane. Rescue swimmers wearing WPB dry suits who spend long times submerged in the water report that during periods of high activity, they sweat, and in periods of low activity, they dry out. Makes sense – you’re not pushing water drops through the WPB membrane, you’re driving molecules. Wetted out face fabrics are problematic for body heat loss, because the “wetter” (more water) in your clothing, the more body heat is lost to drive the evaporation of that water.
- There is a C6 fluorocarbon DWR treatment on the inside surface of the eVENT membrane – the surface that faces the body. The purpose of this DWR is to avoid wet out of the eVENT membrane due to perspiration and condensation of water vapor. My experience so far has been that this is a very durable treatment when applied directly to the inside of an eVENT membrane. Even after extended wear of this jacket that has included sweating in it, wearing heavy packs, etc., the C6 is holding up well. Now, I haven’t tested it in the context of being a grossly dirty thru-hiker, so … FWIW.
I just got a Shell, size large, based on the Hyperlite size recomendations. It fits me too tightly to allow for much insulation underneath it. The sleeves come down to the ends of my fingertips. The bottom hem comes down past my butt.
I need to be able to have enough insulation under it for winter conditions in Colorado, so I sent it back to exchange for and extra large. The sleeves were too long for me in the large size, so they will be even longer in the extra large size, but I’ll just cut them back.
I like the long length in the torso. As others have pointed out, the lack of useful pockets is too bad, but I’ll put up with it in exchange for its other virtue: light weight and durability.Jul 6, 2018 at 11:55 pm #3545675Robert MeurantBPL Member
John, you might find the long arms work ok. I find the extra length just naturally tucks into the wrists. I like the long body length (of the XL), dislike the lack of useful pockets, but get annoyed about the lack of adequate chest girth. Like another poster, I find I still tend to take my ancient windbreak anorak, which is useless in the rain, as well as the shell, instead of using the shell as a windbreak. HMG really needs to produce a loose-fitting version of the shell as a (hooded) anorak, kangaroo pocket, tunnel hand pocket(s), and deepish zip. That configuration is simply superior. Maintain the body length.
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