Hammock advice plz
Dec 14, 2019 at 2:58 am #3622788
I’m thinking about trying a hammock setup again. I think I’d like to replace my suspension because reasons so I’m wondering what makes sense today? The becket hitch looks really simple. I’m thinking of ordering 15’ UHMWPE from Dutch and then using a becket hitch to a continuous loop on the hammock. Does that make sense?
Dutch quotes 2.4g/ft so that’s 72 grams for 30’ of tree strap. That seems pretty light and very simple.
Any thoughts?Dec 14, 2019 at 3:53 am #3622797Bob ShuffBPL Member
I’m not up to speed on the newer webbing options (in the last year or 2), but used 1/2 mule tape straps in the past with a becket hitch (or slippery sheet bend) from Anti-gravity gear. It’s not recommended as a replacement for a hugger for tree protection, but I often add it to a hugger or wrap it a few times to distribute the impact.
I typically use Dutch kevlar webbing with a Dutch clip and whoopie slings with a whoopie hook to continuous loops on my hammock. I guess that’s so 2017 and not the lightest, but it’s super convenient and that’s what I have. I carry the muletape as a backup and extension if needed. It also comes in handy for short distances because the whoopie has a minimum length. The hitch works great on 1/2″ and is easy to adjust.
I guess I’m curious about the tradeoffs with UHMWPE and the spider web, which is even lighter at 1.5g/ft. They say these don’t work with buckles, presumably too slippery? Will that affect the knot hold? Kevlar huggers seem too hard for a becket hitch and are heavier anyway. I think half-inch mule tape may even be heavier at ~3.1g/ft.Dec 14, 2019 at 11:53 am #3622823
When I switched to hammocks, I ran through just about every option. I tried cinch buckles, whoopie slings, UCRs, and Marlinspike hitch to whoopie. Finally, I tried the becket hitch with a straight Dyneema strap and haven’t looked back. It’s a wonderfully simple setup and has never failed me. I personally use the black venom straps from RBTR but any straps will do. I just liked the black. :)
Also, in regards to slipping. It’s correct that these straps are all too slick for cinch hardware. However, MANY folks over on hammock forums are using them with becket hitches with zero slippage, including myself. They lock in great and the slippery nature of the strap allows the knot to release a little easier.Dec 14, 2019 at 5:31 pm #3622851dirtbagBPL Member
I have been using Dutch spider poly straps with beetle buckles. Simple fast and they work well. Not the lightest but it easy and fast and works well for me in all seasons in all weather.Dec 15, 2019 at 6:39 am #3622909SIMULACRABPL Member
@simulacraLocale: Puget Sound
My 2016 setup was the Spider Straps but they were called something different then. The Dutch Clips and the Cinch Bugs. This setup worked really great for me aside from the stretch I would get from the straps. There was a lot of stretch as I recall. Not sure if that was from the UHMWPE or Polyester in the blend. As far as using a becket hitch, that idea looks interesting. Would it slip with the UHMWPE straps? I’m not entirely visualizing how you would incorporate the tree straps to the continuous loop. I’ve no real world testing with that knot.Dec 15, 2019 at 1:11 pm #3622917
Here’s how it gets tied. It also explains how to add more strength. I’ve never used this modified method but I’m only 175lbs. I’ve been using this with UHMWPE straps for a while with zero slippage. This setup is extremely common today.Dec 16, 2019 at 4:12 am #3623026Roger CaffinBPL Member
@rcaffinLocale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
I don’t know who Becket was, but he is not entitled to name that knot. It is a sheet bend, and it has been a sheet bend for hundreds of years. It is so named because it was the ‘bend’ used to tie a rope to the corner of a sail. (mumble mutter :) )
In fact, it was apparently known in neolithic times. But that is hearsay (of course).
Whether it will always hold on something like Spectra is another matter. I have seen many different knots ‘run’ on Spectra. I would be more willing to trust a double sheet bend I think. From memory, a fishermans knot is not bad, and a double fishermans knot is usually good enough.
CheersDec 16, 2019 at 12:20 pm #3623052
A becket is a thing not a person. Link
I agree that it is basically a slippery sheet bend.
Roger, do you understand the application we are discussing? I can’t think of any way double fisherman’s knot makes any sense in this application, as hammocks typically terminate with a continuous loop (aka a becket) not a free end. You also want something that is easily adjustable, which a fisherman’s knot is not.Dec 16, 2019 at 1:03 pm #3623059
A becket hitch, including the double becket or figure-of-eight becket hitch, is any hitch that is made on an eye loop, i.e. on a becket. A becket hitch has the same structure as the sheet bend, which joins, or “bends”, the ends of two ropes together. The becket hitch, in contrast, fixes a rope to a closed eye or hook.Dec 19, 2019 at 5:55 am #3623449SIMULACRABPL Member
@simulacraLocale: Puget Sound
Got it, I see how that works now.Dec 25, 2019 at 1:27 am #3624114Black MagicBPL Member
Warbonnet sells UHMWPE straps which they market as “Dynaweave.” Their strap builder will let you customize the length to whatever you need, as either straps or huggers as you need.
I have found the Dynaweave straps to be slightly easier to use — more rope-like in a knot, and more pliant in my fingers when trying to flatten it out again — than Dutch’s “Spider-Web” straps.
I also like their Fishhooks better than Dutch Clips.Dec 25, 2019 at 2:37 am #3624118
Oh, that sounds nice. Also, I like their strap builder, very straightforward. I know Dutch will make anything you ask for but it’s nice to be able to order it directly in the shopping cart rather than through notes and emails.
Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll probably go with this option when I decide to move forward.Dec 27, 2019 at 3:14 am #3624256obx hikerBPL Member
Check out this guy’s stuff. Knots that free you from knots! Nice twist..punny by happenstance.Dec 27, 2019 at 4:14 am #3624272
Thanks for sharing those. Those look like good solutions but more involved than I want. The becket hitch looks like exactly what I’m looking for.
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