Guidelines for Discussing Legislation Without Political Arguments

These guidelines apply in all forums but we feel like they are most likely to be needed in the Environmental Issues forum so we felt it made sense to sticky these to the top of this forum.

They are now part of the site’s Forum Guidelines as well.

There is no legislation. All the cuts have been political. All executive orders. A lot of showboating. It’s important.  How do we discuss that without discussing the ones who are doing it?

Terran, this is a really difficult topic. We had people thank us for shutting the recent thread regarding the Explore Act and others who did not want it to be closed. There are many valid perspectives.

This paragraph is not an official statement from BPL but it is my perception that part of our motivation is that we are trying to avoid BPL turning into another part of the internet where people argue and yell about politics. There are plenty of places to do that.

Please make constructive suggestions about how the guidelines above should be edited and we will discuss it on our end.

I’ve seen politics ruin other forums. I’ll try to have a little less passion. I’ve seen burn scars that haven’t came back. Once it’s gone, there’s no turning back. I think you understand that. We all do. I appreciate it thank you.

I’m with you, Terran Terran.  These days, correcting viloently misleading misinformation is construed as political discourse, not attempting to clarify important issues for people on these boards.

I think we’re preaching to the choir. With all the job cuts impacting our environment and our public lands, it’s more about rallying the troops. We need to all stand up and be very vocal. We stand to lose not only public access, but also many acres of of forest and other woodlands to destruction and pollution. Protect our forests while we still have them.

I support the changes at the federal level. The former approach was unsustainable. The only way to be fair, though is to not show partiality. Perhaps this is our opportunity as the outdoor community, to step up our own civic stewardship.

Let’s keep this discussion about the new guidelines. Please create new threads to talk about specific legislative/policy issues that impact the outdoors. Thank you!

I appreciate the difficulty moderating forums these days and thanks to BPL mods. Although I recall some doozy arguments on BPL even before our present political turmoil, with people leaving in a huff!

There are a lot of issues that are important to backpacking and hiking, beyond environmental issues, that this group would probably consider “too political,” like hiking as a solo woman, being a transgender or out gay person on trail, or encountering racism or sexism on trail or while getting to/from trail. They’re all really important topics to those whose lives they affect. Halfway Anywhere’s unscientific but very interesting surveys highlight that these issues are of significant concern to many people. But I hesitate to post those types of topics over here, because of the risk of a thread getting shut down, or volatile responses from some members.

So, I’ve simply taken these topics to other places for discussion, like Facebook groups that openly embrace people whose very existence is thought to be “political” or potentially even felonious (see Texas today).  I’ve thought about leaving BPL altogether many times, but the vast experience of members with technique and with gear are helpful, as well as advice on specific trails. I also like the trip reports – probably those most of all. It’s hard to find a place for dialogue across the political spectrum and it gets harder every day.

There are a lot of issues that are important to backpacking and hiking, beyond environmental issues, that this group would probably consider “too political,” like hiking as a solo woman, being a transgender or out gay person on trail, or encountering racism or sexism on trail or while getting to/from trail. They’re all really important topics to those whose lives they affect.

I wish we had more discussions about these topics here on BPL. Please, let’s do that more!

Just because I may not understand another person’s life style, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I try to go by the rule of “do no harm’. In most cases , orientation or legal status, it’s none of my business. Good people are good people.

well said ak granola

it seems like we made progress on accepting gay people, but now we’ve backtracked a bit

trans people are another story, many people don’t accept this which is sad

Teran Teran’s posts were just deleted as I was reading them.  For years Ryan has advocated conservation and preservation of our public lands.  That was not political?  Lets put our heads in the sand now when we need that “political” movement the most.

It was my wording, not the commentary. I agree with Mathew on that one. I reposted a link with basically the same information

If you want to talk politics, go hike for 10 miles and build a fire. Discuss. You will probably be too tired but also feel better about life because you are in the wild.

And if your phone has no connection, even better.

There are a lot of issues that are important to backpacking and hiking, beyond environmental issues, that this group would probably consider “too political,” like hiking as a solo woman, being a transgender or out gay person on trail, or encountering racism or sexism on trail or while getting to/from trail. They’re all really important topics to those whose lives they affect.
I wish we had more discussions about these topics here on BPL. Please, let’s do that more!

Yeah, sure it would. No it wouldn’t. Ya’all reported me when I vocalized about being a woman here – and as a blended race POC female hiker, I call BS. It makes people uncomfortable, and by that I mean white males. I am married to a white man who I love with my whole being, and he is my biggest advocate – but many men don’t like women who speak out, especially if they are not white. It makes them uncomfortable.

~Rant Over~

Maybe someone accidentally clicked the button to report you

Can you start another thread? We’re getting off subject.