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Good U/Lrain jacket to use as both rain jacket and windshirt.


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    Nicholas Couis
    BPL Member

    @nichoco

    I’m looking for a U/L rain jacket to carry and use both hiking and while trail running instead of taking a windshirt and rain jacket. Something like the Montbell Versalite. Anyone have any feedback . Thanks.

    #3725731
    Perry H
    BPL Member

    @hphock

    Locale: Midwest

    Following!

    #3725736
    Kevin Babione
    BPL Member

    @kbabione

    Locale: Pennsylvania

    Sounds like you’re looking for an Enlightened Equipment Visp for $200…

    #3725773
    Brad Rogers
    BPL Member

    @mocs123

    Locale: Southeast Tennessee

    In my experience no rain shell breathes well enough to replace a windshirt.  The closest thing might be Gore Tex Shakedry but the shell isn’t durable and it’s expensive, so I think a good UL rain shell is better served wearing only in the rain.

    My 2011 Houdini has been used and abused.  If it gets an abrasion or pinhole, it still works just fine, so I don’t sweat it.  If it was a rainshell and I got a hole in it, I’d be more upset.

    #3725785
    Monte Masterson
    BPL Member

    @septimius

    Locale: Changes Often

    Berghaus Hyper 100. Doesn’t have quite the waterproof rating as the MB Versalite, but the MVTR breathability rating is 50,000 and it weighs a tad under 4 oz (M). 3 layer. Supreme quality. https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/mens-clothing-c1/mens-superlight-shell-windtops-c49/superlight-jackets-c196/hyper-100-shell-jacket-p7219

    #3725802
    jscott
    BPL Member

    @book

    Locale: Northern California

    After having a scary experience in unexpected sleet in a slog over a pass and a basin with suncups that slowed me down a lot, I now go with 3 layer Event or equivalent for sure. Sweating out was not an issue; hypothermia was. Get something solid even if it weighs a few ounces more, I think.

    #3725828
    Tom K
    BPL Member

    @tom-kirchneraol-com-2

    Lightweight, breathable, cheap, but fragile.  Not for bushwhacking or carrying a full pack, but for trail running and hiking it’s a cheap alternative to the $200 plus mainstream offerings.

     

    #3726027
    jj
    BPL Member

    @calculatinginfinity

    love my frogg toggs

    #3726159
    Mark Verber
    BPL Member

    @verber

    Locale: San Francisco Bay Area

    I am with brad.  shakedry is *almost* as good as dedicated wind shirt but it’s also expensive and fragile.  I am happy to carry an extra few ounces to have been performance and to minimize the wear/tear on my rainshell.

    #3726841
    Christopher S
    BPL Member

    @chrisisinclair

    The highest CFM waterproofs are going to be some variations of Neoshell marketed as Powershield Pro (same membrane but higher CFM and lower HH). The highest you can get generally is 3CFM. Still not a great wind shirt but it will let some air pass through. I suspect the new Pertex Shield Air is also just neoshell being licensed to Pertex so they can use it with one of their extra light face fabrics. Your best bet would likely be Yamatomichi

    #3726848
    Steve H
    BPL Member

    @hop

    I’ve been researching this as well.  It would be good to get Stephen Seeber’s take on this.  I believe the MVTR on the EE Visp is 75,000.  I ordered one for this purpose.  From what I’ve learned so far, performance-wide there is no substitute for using a rain shell and wind shirt differently for their intended purpose. However, the benefits of being able to use one garment for both is attractive.  I’m hoping the Visp’s MVTR along with the pit zips (paired w Alpha Direct) can get me there.  7D and unproven waterproofness is a concern, but I guess we’ll see.  I’ll chime back in when I learn something useful.

    #3727043
    Mike M
    BPL Member

    @mtwarden

    Locale: Montana

    I’d definitely be interested in your findings. My old Houdini (4 oz) is going strong- breathes very well, sheds wind and light (short) precip. I pair it with an older Rab three layer Flashpoint (6 oz).

    For 10 oz tough to beat, BUT if there is a viable option that a single garment would work- color me interested :)

    #3727056
    jscott
    BPL Member

    @book

    Locale: Northern California

    That’s a really good combo Mike. I have an old Rab Demand, which is a few ounces heavier than the Flashpoint but still works very well indeed in rain and sleet.

    #3727057
    Mike M
    BPL Member

    @mtwarden

    Locale: Montana

    I’ve been really happy with it, probably 7-8 years now and still ticking :)

    #3727059
    jscott
    BPL Member

    @book

    Locale: Northern California

    Yeah, I wear my old Houdini all the time; it’s even older than yours–not a bit of wear! I just toss it in my drawer too.

    #3727368
    Josh J
    BPL Member

    @uahiker

    following with interest, i’ve been eyeing the visp.

    i know they don’t make the rab flashpoint any more but the closest to it that i’ve found is the OR helium. tempted to get that and sell my columbia rain jacket but then trying to explain that to my wife will be a challenge when i haven’t work the columbia much and it’s still pretty new…. same goes for my columbia windshirt in exchange for a houdini or a BD alpine start…..

    #3727373
    Mike M
    BPL Member

    @mtwarden

    Locale: Montana

    I have a Helium, it’s OK, but the old Flashpoint was a full three layer jacket for about the same weight. Performance is much better with the Flashpoint (3-layer)

    #3727377
    Josh J
    BPL Member

    @uahiker

    too bad they don’t make it anymore….

    #3727388
    Gary Dunckel
    BPL Member

    @zia-grill-guy

    Locale: Boulder

    For day hikes in Colorado, I have been using a Marmot Pertex Quantum wind shirt that I apply a spray-on DWR treatment to. This not only breathes well, but it is pretty good at shedding light rain. It won’t do very well in a sustained heavy downpour, but for our 15-20 minute afternoon rains, it’s the bee’s knees at 3.4 ounces. But if I was backpacking, I would take an actual rain jacket along, in addition to the wind shirt (2 pieces for 2 different conditions).

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