Good U/Lrain jacket to use as both rain jacket and windshirt.
Aug 25, 2021 at 8:56 am #3725729Nicholas CouisBPL Member
I’m looking for a U/L rain jacket to carry and use both hiking and while trail running instead of taking a windshirt and rain jacket. Something like the Montbell Versalite. Anyone have any feedback . Thanks.Aug 25, 2021 at 9:27 am #3725731Perry HBPL Member
Following!Aug 25, 2021 at 9:42 am #3725736Kevin BabioneBPL Member
@kbabioneLocale: PennsylvaniaAug 25, 2021 at 12:15 pm #3725773Brad RogersBPL Member
@mocs123Locale: Southeast Tennessee
In my experience no rain shell breathes well enough to replace a windshirt. The closest thing might be Gore Tex Shakedry but the shell isn’t durable and it’s expensive, so I think a good UL rain shell is better served wearing only in the rain.
My 2011 Houdini has been used and abused. If it gets an abrasion or pinhole, it still works just fine, so I don’t sweat it. If it was a rainshell and I got a hole in it, I’d be more upset.Aug 25, 2021 at 12:37 pm #3725785Monte MastersonBPL Member
@septimiusLocale: Changes Often
Berghaus Hyper 100. Doesn’t have quite the waterproof rating as the MB Versalite, but the MVTR breathability rating is 50,000 and it weighs a tad under 4 oz (M). 3 layer. Supreme quality. https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/mens-clothing-c1/mens-superlight-shell-windtops-c49/superlight-jackets-c196/hyper-100-shell-jacket-p7219Aug 25, 2021 at 3:05 pm #3725802
After having a scary experience in unexpected sleet in a slog over a pass and a basin with suncups that slowed me down a lot, I now go with 3 layer Event or equivalent for sure. Sweating out was not an issue; hypothermia was. Get something solid even if it weighs a few ounces more, I think.Aug 25, 2021 at 8:23 pm #3725828Tom KBPL Member
Lightweight, breathable, cheap, but fragile. Not for bushwhacking or carrying a full pack, but for trail running and hiking it’s a cheap alternative to the $200 plus mainstream offerings.Aug 27, 2021 at 8:46 pm #3726027jjBPL Member
love my frogg toggsAug 29, 2021 at 12:02 am #3726159Mark VerberBPL Member
@verberLocale: San Francisco Bay Area
I am with brad. shakedry is *almost* as good as dedicated wind shirt but it’s also expensive and fragile. I am happy to carry an extra few ounces to have been performance and to minimize the wear/tear on my rainshell.Sep 7, 2021 at 11:47 am #3726841Christopher SBPL Member
The highest CFM waterproofs are going to be some variations of Neoshell marketed as Powershield Pro (same membrane but higher CFM and lower HH). The highest you can get generally is 3CFM. Still not a great wind shirt but it will let some air pass through. I suspect the new Pertex Shield Air is also just neoshell being licensed to Pertex so they can use it with one of their extra light face fabrics. Your best bet would likely be YamatomichiSep 7, 2021 at 12:49 pm #3726848Steve HBPL Member
I’ve been researching this as well. It would be good to get Stephen Seeber’s take on this. I believe the MVTR on the EE Visp is 75,000. I ordered one for this purpose. From what I’ve learned so far, performance-wide there is no substitute for using a rain shell and wind shirt differently for their intended purpose. However, the benefits of being able to use one garment for both is attractive. I’m hoping the Visp’s MVTR along with the pit zips (paired w Alpha Direct) can get me there. 7D and unproven waterproofness is a concern, but I guess we’ll see. I’ll chime back in when I learn something useful.Sep 9, 2021 at 4:31 pm #3727043
I’d definitely be interested in your findings. My old Houdini (4 oz) is going strong- breathes very well, sheds wind and light (short) precip. I pair it with an older Rab three layer Flashpoint (6 oz).
For 10 oz tough to beat, BUT if there is a viable option that a single garment would work- color me interested :)Sep 9, 2021 at 6:08 pm #3727056
That’s a really good combo Mike. I have an old Rab Demand, which is a few ounces heavier than the Flashpoint but still works very well indeed in rain and sleet.Sep 9, 2021 at 6:16 pm #3727057
I’ve been really happy with it, probably 7-8 years now and still ticking :)Sep 9, 2021 at 6:36 pm #3727059
Yeah, I wear my old Houdini all the time; it’s even older than yours–not a bit of wear! I just toss it in my drawer too.Sep 14, 2021 at 12:06 pm #3727368Josh JBPL Member
following with interest, i’ve been eyeing the visp.
i know they don’t make the rab flashpoint any more but the closest to it that i’ve found is the OR helium. tempted to get that and sell my columbia rain jacket but then trying to explain that to my wife will be a challenge when i haven’t work the columbia much and it’s still pretty new…. same goes for my columbia windshirt in exchange for a houdini or a BD alpine start…..Sep 14, 2021 at 1:06 pm #3727373
I have a Helium, it’s OK, but the old Flashpoint was a full three layer jacket for about the same weight. Performance is much better with the Flashpoint (3-layer)Sep 14, 2021 at 1:45 pm #3727377Josh JBPL Member
too bad they don’t make it anymore….Sep 14, 2021 at 2:57 pm #3727388Gary DunckelBPL Member
For day hikes in Colorado, I have been using a Marmot Pertex Quantum wind shirt that I apply a spray-on DWR treatment to. This not only breathes well, but it is pretty good at shedding light rain. It won’t do very well in a sustained heavy downpour, but for our 15-20 minute afternoon rains, it’s the bee’s knees at 3.4 ounces. But if I was backpacking, I would take an actual rain jacket along, in addition to the wind shirt (2 pieces for 2 different conditions).
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