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  • #3818567
    Brian T
    BPL Member

    @whynotlighter

    I have a lot of first aid training, and have done search and rescue in 3 states. I have used lots of first aid items small and large, but my biggest complaint is consistently the bags that get used for first aid kits. They rarely seem built to purpose, are typically made in some “military” style with 500D ballistic nylon and rarely offer the features I want in a FAK.

    As a result I went about designing my own FAK bag. One that would be purpose built. offer great organization and visibility, and would be extremely light to boot.

    I’ve shared these bags with some friends in the emergency medecine and SAR communities I am a part of but I thought some of the folks in this group might also appreciate these. (I made a small and a large, although the small is my “daily driver” and the large is something I only use on a SAR call, or keep in the car)

    two kits side by side

    Here you can see the large and small kit side by side (along with my toes)
    Large kit

    The large kit

    small kit

    The small kit

    Small kit on scale

    Here is the small kit empty (58g)

    Large kit on the scale

    Large kit on the scale (100g)

    both kits rolled up

    Here you can see both kits rolled up and filled. You can also see the sam splint specific pocket on the back side of the roll (this gives some stiffness to the kit, and allows this bulky item to take up the minimum space, but is easily deployed and replaced).

    Curious for thoughts, reactions, ideas.

    #3818645
    David M
    BPL Member

    @cledmartin

    Brian – nice looking kits – definitely well thought out and organized.  I spend a lot of time with Boy Scouts or my kids on trips and am always trying to figure out the best way to pack 1st aid supplies and have been contemplating MYOG designs.  For a personal kit I’d probably still just use a ziplock bag, but for the group something like this would be nice.  A few questions – What materials did you use?  I can’t quite tell what the bag-like portion of the kit is at the bottom of each unrolled kit – is this another pocket?  And what’s your total weight with all of your supplies for each?  Thanks!

    #3818663
    Brian T
    BPL Member

    @whynotlighter

    @david

    the bag is constructed from 2.93 dyneema including the center/bottom pouch.
    The filled weights will vary based on what exactly you want to pack, but my smaller kit is 924g with a pair of raptors (165g).

    The bigger one is heavier, but again, depends what you pack. This kit has lots of stuff in it, some of which is pretty heavy. It’s pretty comprehensive in contents I would say its similar to maybe these products in what I have packed:
    Myfak (which for reference is 1100-1600g)

    FWIW it’s part of my trip prep to go through the kit and make sure it has what it needs (not expired or used up, has things appropriate to the situation) so the total weight changes basically every time.

    #3818664
    Brian T
    BPL Member

    @whynotlighter

    as far as the bottom/center pocket it is like a small, full width pocket with a waterproof zipper. Here are some more pics:

    wide open

    one side

    whole kit open

    It’s useful for misc items, but most useful for things that don’t fit well in the smaller side pockets. For example here is what I had in there on my last adventure:
    contents

    4x large transparent dressings

    2x skin closure strips

    1x skin prep stick (helps with closure strips)

    4x sterile saline (for irrigation of wounds or eyes)

    4x topical ABX

    1x thermometer

    1x commongear repair kit (patches, sewing needles, thread, gorilla tape)

    This bottom pouch also frequently carries other things like an epi pen, some larger medications if needed, a high pressure irrigation syringe, glucose tablets or gel, or other things the situation might call for like suture tools or a skin stapler, or a chest seal and packing gauze. all depending on what I think I want to be sure to be prepared for.

    FWIW most of the time it’s blisters, electrolytes, scrapes, etc. But I have several times been glad I brought the heavier stuff, but it’s usually (knock on wood) overkill.

    #3818671
    CFDTuc
    BPL Member

    @ncfftuc

    Awesome job on the packs!!  Retired FF/EMT, and we always kept our gear neat organized for quick use but also easy to tell about restocking at a glance.  I’ve never found something I liked for my backpack, and you’ve inspired with your design.  Did you draw any plans up or just wing it?  Starting to think about my next MYOG projects (1 for pack, 2 for cars….)

    #3818697
    Zero Flight
    BPL Member

    @zeroflight

    I also would love some more details on the construction.  A sheet of DCF and some elastic mesh attached & sewn into pockets shapes, all sewn against a DCF pouch?  Did you make the roll and pouch separately or all one piece?  Love the splint pocket; using those to keep its shape was a great idea.

    #3818755
    Brian T
    BPL Member

    @whynotlighter

    @CFDTuc – I did start with a drawing. I made one in CAD to lay out size and shape. I then printed it 1-2 scale and sort of stacked up my gear on the squares to see approximately what I could fit. I went back and forth on the size of the gap between the mesh pockets, how many pockets to have etc.
    My rough guidance was I wanted the bigger one to carry all the gear I would want on a SAR, even a gnarly one. I wanted my small one to get close to the size of a nalgene, and I would fit the best stuff for the trip.
    Here is the packed size reference on the small one:
    size comparison to nalgene

    The rough theory was that way I might be able to stuff it into an outside water bottle pocket for quick deploys, and it would be easy enough to fit in my pack at that size.


    @zeroflight

    Yes that’s basically how it’s made, the main panel is 2.93 DCF the two runs of mesh pockets are one piece of non stretchy mesh (puckered into some pocket spaces with elastic at the opening side. The pouch at the bottom was made without a “bottom” then the outside was all stitched together with the black reinforcing webbing on the outside. The splint pouch was the last to go on, it’s actually not sewn continuously around the entire border, so it could be sewn inside the pockets (if that makes sense).The seams on the back panel are all reinforced with TNT tape

    TBH I could not have done this complicated of sewing on my own, I am a good designer/engineer but a pretty medium sewer. I had some help from a friend to bring these to life.

    #3818771
    Brian T
    BPL Member

    @whynotlighter

    1-1 scale sorry that typo made it make no sense.

    #3818931
    Bill Budney
    BPL Member

    @billb

    Locale: Central NYS

    1x skin prep stick (helps with closure strips)

    What is the skin prep stick that you mention?

    #3818939
    Brian T
    BPL Member

    @whynotlighter

    @bill it’s this product:
    https://athome.medline.com/en/medline-sureprep-no-sting-skin-barrier-1ml-wand-125ct-msc1510

    It is called sureprep, it is an alternative to the more traditional Benzoin tincture https://store.nols.edu/products/benzoin-tincture-5pk

    It has a few advantages, chiefly that it doesn’t hurt if you get some in the wound, but the purpose is the same, it protects the skin right next to the wound and promotes the closure strip adhesion. It’s really a night and day difference IMO to use skin prep if you are approximating with something like steri strips. I don’t close things in the field often, but when I do, I want them to stay closed :)  (to that end I will typically cover the strips with a transparent dressing to further keep it closed to the outside environment).

    #3819100
    David Thomas
    BPL Member

    @davidinkenai

    Locale: North Woods. Far North.

    Nice job!  Back when I was leading trips in the 1980s, I used an Adventure 16 organizer with similar see-through mesh pockets so I could quickly get to each item.  “A place for everything and everything in its place” also helps with restocking after a trip.  But now on solo / couples / family trips, everything gets tossed into a Ziplock, as long as I have it long, I can eventually find it.

    And, whether a first responder or a paid trip leader, there’s a professionalism conveyed through a purpose-built kit like that – it engenders more confidence from the victim than having dumped more stuff into a bigger Ziplock.

    I think the lowest-hanging few grams in most self-made FAKs is a bit more documentation.  You knew what each pill in the mini baggie was when you loaded up the kit, but will you, in 3 years, at altitude when stressed and perhaps out of range from Googling, “blue tablet L368” remember which off-brand Aleve tablet you packed?  So write on each baggie, drug name, uses, dosage, timing.  Ideally, print a little chart by dragging images of the pills alongside basic prescribing info.  Laser-print / xerography heat-sets the toner onto the paper.  That and some Rite-in-the-Rain waterproofing goo (or just Thompson’s Waterseal for your wood deck) makes for a water-proof reference chart.

    And a small printout of either the entire AK contents or a sub-list for each pocket serves as both reference in the field and for later restocking.

    I’ve seen some helpful lists for pilots of what bits of the plane can be used for after crash.  Similar reminders of the many things that can be used as splints, water purification, sleep aids, diuretics, anti-diarrheal, and anti-constipating (not just the drugs, but which foods help or hurt) can be really handy.  I never remember all of those and potentially we’re caring for someone for a few days and could bump their diet accordingly.

    #3819114
    David D
    BPL Member

    @ddf

    Using a phone for documentation is very helpful.  Its all in one place, is weightless and provides more capacity than ever needed.

    Downloading youtube videos is especially useful for first aid techniques, reminders for more unusual but useful knots, etc.   Watching a video helps calm nerves compared to reading when under duress.

    The risk of two points of failure is uncommon (phone and injury) but possible such as solo with a very bad fall

    #3819123
    David Thomas
    BPL Member

    @davidinkenai

    Locale: North Woods. Far North.

    I’ll admit I’m old school and while I’ve started to Google videos of “Recipes for Smoked Salmon Souffle” or “Replace headlight bulb 2005 Prius”, it wouldn’t occur to me to Google, “How to apply a tourniquet” or “How to light a fire” in the moment so I’m ignoring a potential resource as a Luddite.

    I’ve only gotten as far as snapping a pic of the map at the trailhead as I start off the hike.

    #3819125
    David D
    BPL Member

    @ddf

    Sounds tasty, a good start!  You’re so tech savvy I thought you’d have a sim card loaded.

    The key is to search & download the youtube video to your phone at home, for offline viewing. It would be stressful to try and google for this stuff in the moment of need.  Once downloaded its there forever so building a big “what if” library is pretty painless.

    Sometimes my brain is a fried egg after a really long hard day and these videos help me focus more on the present.

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