- Jul 1, 2018 at 2:30 pm #3544690
Michael MBPL Member
First post…need advice. I hammock with a WBBB. I have my summer baseweight to 9.5 with the Exos 38 (no brain). I can save 10 oz with the Kumo (w/upgraded sit pad). I’m afraid I won’t be able to make the Kumo work for 3 season with my heavier TQ/UG and puffy jacket. There doesn’t seem to be much room for error. I also haven’t hiked with a frameless before…and I am used to the trampoline back. But I keep hearing how everyone love the Kumo.
Also, do you guys use a pack cover in the rain? Ot do you just rely on the trash compactor bag to keep your contents dry. I appreciate the feedback.Jul 1, 2018 at 9:32 pm #3544757
The Kumo is a cost effective way to try a frameless pack and it’s pretty good one in my opinion.
I have carried my HG Burrow 20 & Phoenix 20 along with a netless hammock, suspension, Superfly tarp, MB Ex Light puffy, 550 Esbit cookset and good for two nights but it’s very tight.
For me, carrying a frameless pack is more about how good they feel than weight savings. I’m not someone that tries to make it rigid with a folded pad against my back or anything like that. I prefer l close center of gravity and flexibility with the load right up on me.
I don’t hang much any more. I think the last trip I hammocked on was in the spring of 2016.
I suspect a ULA CDT would be a better choice for a frameless hammock pack I’ve only used it for ground based setups so far. The CDT is a bit larger than the Kumo (although not nearly as large as I was expecting from the description). The CDT extension collar gives much more usable overflow volume than the Kumo.Jul 1, 2018 at 9:33 pm #3544758
Also I’m pretty sure nobody here uses a pack cover. Most of us use compactor bags, DCF pack liners or Nylofume bags.Jul 1, 2018 at 11:30 pm #3544777
Randy MartinBPL Member
Not sure if the volume of those two packs are the same. I found the volume of the Kumo to be inadequate for any multi night trips. My baseweight is around 12lb though so YMMV.Jul 2, 2018 at 1:08 am #3544784
Michael MBPL Member
Thank’s Matt. I went ahead and ordered it. I have been using both a pack cover and pack liner. I’m gonna ditch the cover.Jul 13, 2018 at 2:04 am #3546590
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
By the end of a long day the ounces saved with a frameless pack will be WAY offset by its discomfort, regardless of your low pack weight. Keep the EXOS. I have one and love it.
Remember, the “revolution” in backpacks started by Kelty in the ’60s was that the Kelty transferred weight to the hips via a frame to the padded belt. This greatly improved comfort, even for UL backpackers. Why go back?Jul 13, 2018 at 2:49 am #3546596
Different strokes. I find frameless to be more comfortable at low total pack weights.Jul 13, 2018 at 11:41 am #3546617
James MarcoBPL Member
@jamesdmarcoLocale: Finger Lakes
The Kumo is a nice comfortable pack. But, you will likely need to upgrade the sitpad to a nightlight pad. It makes a big difference in carrying capacity and comfort.
The new version is also 18.5oz. The added NightLite will add about 3-4oz more for an additional 10 pounds of capacity.
Personally, I would have gotten the new Murmur. You can use the nightlite for an additional 10 pounds of capacity on it, also. According to the specs on the new version (I have an older 2015 version) it is about 1.5″ thicker at 6″ deep. This is ideal for handling stuff sacks. Both my Miniposa and older Murmur have ripped out the sides(repaired) where I put in an 7″ drybag for my sleeping gear. Of course, you can use the pad for sleeping or as a sitlite pad, even though I also carry a NeoAir. The two work well together in early spring/late fall for warmth. I don’t care too much for the angled front pouch on the Kumo. This is just a style gimmick… When I stop in town for resupply, I often just stuff it in the front pouch and go, not bothering to load stuff where it goes. I can do that at camp, later. Anyway, the Murmur would have saved about 5oz, overall. Both have thin padding and wider shoulder straps than most others making them easy to carry. The hip belts are also minimally padded and easily support 60-70% of the pack. I often loosen the shoulder straps on a hot day and let the pack drop off my back…it is a bit cooler. In summer months, I use the Nightlite as a pillow, stuffed into a stuff sack. Anyway, both are good packs for UL travel. The Kumo has a bit of an edge with durability, the Murmur has a bit of an edge with weight. After 25 years of going UL, flirting with SUL, I still think than any UltraLight pack should NOT weigh more than 16oz or one pound. After a couple outings, you can strip off any additional strapping, plastic, elastic, etc to save an additional ounce or so. The top closure on the Kumo doesn’t really need much in the way of compression. The Roll top on the Murmur is about the same way, but a different style.
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