Crosspeak1

That should be the approximate weight and price of the Durstan x-dome 1+ with carbon poles.

The main difference is that it’s available compared to ” some time this summer”.  Of course, the best time to purchase it would be after summer when it’s 10% off.

HMG mentions in their video that the pole sleeve is better than the clip in style. Wonder why they think that.

Not sure, but pole sleeves are thought to provide an even distribution of stress along the poles and to the outer fabric.

I wouldn’t want clips with DCF. It might become a problem over time. Sleeves seem almost like a requirement. Why not advertise it as a feature?

With a clip design, the more clips you add the more it secures the fly and poles together to increase overall stability. Then a sleeve design is essentially one long continuous clip, so you get maximum connection and increase stability. This is why it ends to be popular in 4-season tents. The downsides though are that it is heavier and can be harder to assembled since the arches aren’t joined together and it is hard to erect a sleeved arch in high winds.

Either works fine with DCF. Even a clip tent with very few clips would be distributing stress quite a bit more than a trekking pole tent. Trekking pole tents essentially have 1 -2 main stress points on the fly (the peaks) whereas a freestanding clip then has has 10-20 clips, so sleeves would be good for this but even a clip tent is easier on DCF then a trekking pole tent.

Using sleeves would synchronize any applied forces along the poles resulting in equal stretch creating less deformity along the line.  While a trekking pole tent may deform more, each point is individually adjustable.

Never thought about this attribute of DCF trekking pole tent vs dome style. Gives an extra point to dome style IMO.

When I see stretching of DCF fabric, it’s usually at the bottom. I would assume this is because the user pulls the corners tight. I wonder if dome style DCF tents will have less of this? Either clip or sleeves.

I think the deformity is from the material shrinking not because of the design of the tent.

I’ve heard that DCF shrinks. I believe that more likely, is that it deforms. While my theorizing on clips vs sleeves may be exaggerated, I believe that even deformity is more controllable than random deformity.

Seems like HMG missed a real opportunity with this tent by not going with lighter carbon poles. It’s not like it’s a mountaineering tent, or anything other than a single wall, 3-season backpacking tent – think TarpTent Rainbow Li.  At its price point it should be as light as possible.

I agree about the poles. The one thing Tarptent does really well is having all the “accessories”. With the DR Li, you can get an inner liner, rainbow roost, and even a hexagon ground sheet that covers both vestibules. As well as the 3 different pole options.

As a HMG fanboy, I keep trying to like the Crosspeak1 and I do. I always end up making the same comparison to the Rainbow. In most cases, I feel that the Rainbow wins out. However, even though the  Crosspeak. Isn’t considered a “4 season” tent, with the double cross poles it appears to be a lot sturdier and more capable of harsh weather.

I really want to see what the X Dome 1+ Pro will be.