- Nov 19, 2017 at 9:05 pm #3502948
I have learned a lot from all of you on this forum. Many thanks to all. I am planning a thru hike of the Colorado Trail in Aug/Sep of 2018. I think I have my list figured out and have started training. I live at 7600′ in Colorado so that will be helpful – there are also a lot of training trails around here.
Gear list: https://lighterpack.com/r/6noe99
If anyone sees any obvious errors in my list I would certainly appreciate any guidance/comments. I’ve done a bit of backpacking and a lot of day hiking but am by no means an expert. I’m also not ultralight – more lightweight at this point. I am 56, 5’6″ tall and about 155 lbs.
A few of the things on the list I’ve yet to pick up – like the CNOC Water Bag and the Zpacks stuff/dry bags.
Thank you in advance for your comments and wisdom.
Take care all!Nov 19, 2017 at 9:16 pm #3502951
2 ounces of DEET seems like a lot but I’ve never used DEET so I don’t really know.
Do you really need the Kindle with the phone and a big battery?
toothpaste tablets or homemade toothpaste dots are lighter.
I don’t use a trail journal. I mostly take notes or voice memos on my phone and occasionally pull the mini Sharpie from my FAK and write on the back or side of a map.
Towel, buff and banadana?Nov 19, 2017 at 10:17 pm #3502965
Thanks Matthew – Great observations on the towel, buff, and bandana – duh. I will experiment with the kindle app on the phone. The kindle battery is awesome and I love to read but certainly something to consider. And I may be able to get by with 1/2 the deet or other options. Really appreciate the advice – take care!Nov 20, 2017 at 2:25 am #3503019
The one item I see as redundant is the pack cover. The pack liner will be more than sufficient.Nov 20, 2017 at 2:30 am #3503021
Thanks bjc – I was wondering about that one. I read that once the pack gets wet it can add a lot more weight than the pack cover but I see a lot of people carrying them.Nov 20, 2017 at 2:40 am #3503024
I think here in CO even if you get the monsoon or a day or two of rain during a front moving through, you get enough sun and dry weather to dry things out quickly.Nov 20, 2017 at 3:48 am #3503038
MJ HBPL Member
The kindle battery is awesome and I love to read but certainly something to consider.
I think you are right about the Kindle battery, but I haven’t seen the math for how much you’d have to read before the Kindle is saving you weight over whatever extra portable battery capacity you’d need to bring to do all the reading with a phone. I’m pretty sure I would be above that level for any trip of more than a few days.Nov 20, 2017 at 3:51 am #3503039
Fair point – absolutely some more thinking needed on my part. Thanks again!Nov 20, 2017 at 5:08 am #3503047
My $20 10000mah battery carries 4–5 full iPhone charges and weighs ~6.5 ounces. I don’t read on the trail or read on my phone so I don’t know that pencils out for sure but I share it as a point of reference. I suspect you’d be ahead of the game carrying battery unless you spend a lot of time reading.
I do know the reading experience is more pleasant on a Kindle so that is worth something. :)Nov 20, 2017 at 5:53 am #3503052
@ryanLocale: Rocky Mountains
Great list! You’ve clearly put a lot of thought into it.
The thing that stuck out to me was your 700ml pot.
I’m not sure what your schedule is – miles / day, resupply logistics, etc. but on the treks of this scale that I’ve done through the years, I’ve needed a bigger pot.
Here’s the rationale – and keep in mind that my own style doesn’t follow typical thru-hiker style which is to resupply in a town and consume lots of calories to make up for a significant calorie deficit for the past several days.
When / if I resupply, I’ve done so in remote spots (trailhead cache, horse or foot “delivery” from pals, or in Canada / AK – air drops), so pizza and burgers and frappes are out!
Because of that, my caloric needs on the trail steadily increase over the course of a weeks-long hike, and by about the 3rd week, I’m budgeting about 3.5 lb of food (at 110-120 cal/oz average), including a big pot of hot dinner that most definitely wouldn’t fit into a 700 ml pot. I also load up with freeze dried veggies (cravings, bulk, nutrition) in my dinners at night, and these require a lot of volume. I can get away with a 900 ml – 1L pot, but something even a little bigger is nice so I’m not spilling food if the pot is full.
Caveat, however — this is based on my caloric needs for hiking dawn-to-dusk on difficult trails and/or a fast pace and/or in cold conditions and/or etc etc – caloric needs per day are driven in part by caloric expenditures per day. And body fat. I have trained pretty hard for longer treks and have thus started them with low-ish body fat %, so by week 3 there’s not always much fat stores left to make up for calorie deficits.
But I’d say your 700ml is fine if you plan on small volume dinners and/or are able to consume lots of calories at your resupplies to keep your food volume / weight down on the subsequent section.Nov 20, 2017 at 7:46 pm #3503129
I too have been questioning the 700ml but need to think through it a bit more. I’m not a very big guy but once I’m burning 3000+ calories per day – day over day – I know I’ll want more food on some days so may want to go a bit larger – I have an 1100ml that’s only an extra 1.1 oz – so will be considering that option.
I’m planning to take my time and enjoy myself – not pushing large miles each day. Will plan to average 12-18 per day with 4-5 zeros thrown in for good measure. My wife (Kristie) is amazing and has offered to do a lot of resupplying for me – whether via Jeep or on her horse.
For resupply, here’s what I’m thinking;
- Waterton to Kenosha Pass – 71.7 miles – approx 5 days – Kristie will meet me there and will take a bit of a break – 1/2 a zero perhaps.
- Kenosha Pass to Gold Hill – Frisco/Breck – 32.7 miles – 2 to 2.5 days – resupply in town, take a full zero, spend 2 nights in hotel
- Gold Hill to Twin Lakes – 70.9 miles – approx 5 days – pick up box that I drop off on the way to Denver to start the hike
- Twin Lakes to Mt. Princeton Hot Springs – 56.8 miles – approx 3-4 days – Kristie will meet me here and well have a room at the Hot Springs for 1-2 nights – take most of a zero if not all
- Chalk Creek TH to CO-114 – 70.3 miles – approx 4 1/2 days – Kristie (she’s amazing) will resupply me here
- CO-114 to Spring Creek Pass – 55 miles – approx 3 days – shuttle to Lake City – resupply in town, get a room for 2 nights, and take a full zero
- Lake City to Molas Pass – 53.3 miles – approx 2-3 days – Kristie will meet me at the Molas Campground with our camper – will take a few days here – rest and enjoy her company
- Molas Pass to Durango – 73.9 miles – approx 5 days – Kristie will pick me up here – we live in Pagosa Springs so only an hour away
My training plan is to continue walking each day (trying to do this regardless of weather this winter), starting Crossfit on 12/1, snowshoeing this winter, and hiking as much as possible once the trails open in Apr/May. I have day-hiked quite a bit at 8-10 miles per day but going day after day will be different – will need to be in shape for that so the aches and pains don’t try to talk me into bailing – haha.
For weather planning, I’m trying to keep my work a bit flexible (I’m a self-employed consultant) so I can pull ahead a few weeks or push back depending on what it looks like. It’s helpful that I live at 7600′ already and somewhat close to the trail.
I am so thankful for this site and the people on here – it’s exactly the interaction I need to make sure I’m as ready as I can be. Thanks for all you do to keep it going and for your extensive replies.
LarryNov 20, 2017 at 7:48 pm #3503130
Matthew – the reading experience and battery on the kindle are exactly what I’m thinking about so I hear you man. I also have a solar charger but it’s heavy and I’m not certain it’s worth carrying.Nov 20, 2017 at 7:52 pm #3503131
I’ve also considered swapping out the ULA Circuit at 42.4 oz as configured for the Zpacks Arc Haul at 25.5 oz with 2 hip pouches but I really like the comfort of the Circuit and I’m not sure the Arc Haul is worth the price but saving a full pound is certainly tempting.Nov 23, 2017 at 12:01 am #3503582
@ryanLocale: Rocky Mountains
I would happily trade an extra pound of weight in my backpack for additional comfort. I can’t speak to the Arc Haul, I haven’t used it, but the comfort of the Circuit seems awfully good at higher pack weights (> 25#).
I continually migrate towards the idea that some added weight in a well-designed pack suspension has the potential to save more energy than what is lost by a few ounces or a pound of added weight.Nov 23, 2017 at 4:03 am #3503609
I’m with you Ryan – I will keep the group posted on any changes. I start crossfit on 12/1 and will be working hard for 6+ months to get ready. Thanks for everything – at this point I’m planning to stick with the Circuit.Dec 6, 2017 at 8:49 pm #3505927
Eric BlumensaadtBPL Member
@danepackerLocale: Mojave Desert
All looks good. I’d add a light fleece balaclava for sleeping & cold mornings/cold wind.
And add an MSR heavy foil windscreen to maximize your fuel efficiency & reduce fuel load. You need to test this at home. (And read the stoves thread now running in the GEAR forum.)Dec 8, 2017 at 2:48 am #3506168
Luke SchmidtBPL Member
Looks good to me. I’d add a light fleece. You can wear it if you have to hike in sustained rain (in which case you’ll get camp underneath the raincoat). The thermals and puffy are for camp.
I’ve heard good things about the zpacks but if you aren’t out to break speed records I’d stick with what you already know will work.
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