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charging cable for Anker to android

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Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedSep 2, 2025 at 9:03 am

After fooling around with https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/myog-usb-power-bank/

I noticed that when I charged my android from my anker 13,000 usb power bank, sometimes it’s very slow.  It doesn’t really matter that much because I have hours available and it eventually charges.

I have these short USB A to USB C cables that came with some product I bought.  When I plug in a USB power meter I see that sometimes it delivers 1.7A which would charge the phone in a couple hours which is acceptable, but sometimes it only delivers 0.5A or 0.3A which would take forever to charge phone.

I read this https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging

They talk about how a charger communicates with a phone (or other device) what current that charger can deliver.  If the phone tries to draw too much current, it can damage the charger.

One way is for the phone to send a digital message to the charger and the charger sends a digital message back with the capacity information, but I think this is unusual.  Especially with cheap chargers.

Another way is to bias the data lines.

There are four lines in the USB – +5 volts, ground, D+, and D-.  The charger will have pullup and pulldown resistors. If, for example, there’s a 50K pullup from D+ to +5, and a 50K pulldown from D+ to ground, then it will have a voltage of 2.5 volts – a resistor divider.

I noticed with the Anker that the D+ line was 0.6 volts, and the D- line was 2.5 volts.  If the Android sees those voltages, then it knows it can draw up to 2 amps.

But, the cheap USB A to USB C cables I used don’t have any wires for D+ and D-.  That’s fine for the cheap device they came with – it draws less than 0.5A so it can just do it without looking at the data lines.

My android does look at those lines.  With my cheap cables without data lines, the android doesn’t see the 0.6V on the D+ and 2.5V on the D- out of the Anker.  So the android is confused about what current it can draw – sometimes it thinks 0.3A, sometimes it thinks 0.5A, sometimes it thinks 1.5A.

So, I bought a short USB A to USB C from amazon.  6 inches.  They advertised the speed data can be transferred so I know it includes the data lines.  0.3 ounces.  The cable without the data lines weighed 0.2 ounces.

When I use that to charge my android from Anker, it now draws 1.7A.  The android is sort of flaky though, occasionally it gets confused and goes back to drawing a low current.

Apple devices are much more regular and consistent, they’re all designed by Apple so they’re the same.   Adafruit only talks about Apple phones – it’s as though androids don’t exist.  I don’t think Apples have these problems.  Unless you tried to use a usb cable without data lines : )

PostedSep 2, 2025 at 9:33 am

Newer iPhones are limited to 7.5 watts on usbA to usbC cables so 1.5A. And I have a couple of usb devices (non hiking related thankfully) that only charge with the low power cables…..so much for USBc making life simpler. And I won’t get started on thunderbolt……

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedSep 2, 2025 at 10:16 am

yeah, USB is a mess.  Originally just designed for data transfer, then gradually evolved to carry power too.  Manufactures broke the rules in order to provide power to their devices.  Lots of legacy that has to be maintained.

I have not found any table of what data line bias voltages will support which devices and current (and voltage)

But, devices can get charged and data can be transferred so it mostly works.

PostedSep 3, 2025 at 7:50 am

Have you considered using a USB-C to USB-C cable instead?  Is that not an option with your Anker power bank? I get more consistent results when using a USB-C to USB-C cable.  Right now my XTAR PB2s is delivering 8.8V at 1.0A to my Pixel 6, but I’ve seen it go as high as 1.5A.

Looking at the specs of the new Google Pixel 10, it supports up to 29W charging speeds.  Fast charging isn’t super important, until it is.  When we were doing section hikes of the JMT and charging our power banks at Vermillion Valley Resort and Red’s Meadow Resort, the shared power strips were in high demand.  It was important to charge my power bank with an AC to USB-C adapter as quickly as possible.  Charging a power bank with a USB-A cable is just too slow, but I’ve talked to so many people who don’t understand how much faster charging with USB-C to USB-C or USB-C to Lightning cables can be compared to USB-A.

Even in my car, I prefer a decent 12V to USB-C adapter over a 12V to USB-A adapter.  I’ve had friends plug into my charging cables while riding and express surprise how fast their battery got charged.  I presume many of them plug a USB-A cable into the USB-A port in their car’s console when charging, and get whatever charging speed their phone manages to negotiate over USB-A.  I’m guessing that most USB-A ports in automobiles are NOT on the cusp of the development curve when it comes to power delivery over USB ports, unless they have a newer car.

 

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedSep 3, 2025 at 8:20 am

yeah, my 13,000 Anker (which is obsolete) takes 10 hours to charge.  How long does XTAR take?

NB10000 has usb c input, 18W, the battery is nominally 38.5 Wh, efficiency might be 66% so it would take about 3 hours to charge.  5.3 ounces.  I might get that if I had to charge at public places.

Yeah, usb c output probably takes care of this problem, it should charge a device quickly, I don’t think it has these problems that usb A output has

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