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CCF only sleep. System that works for me.

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simon t BPL Member
PostedJun 22, 2025 at 9:17 am

Though I’d share since I there isn’t an off the shelf CCF system that I think is the full package.

Parts

Exped Flexmat LW.  Trimmed from 65cm wide to 58cm wide and from 196cm long to 180cm.  The outer row of indentations is almost useless as they drop the egg pattern from 3/2 to 2/1 so losing them made no difference to support.  It’s also slightly thicker at the ends, so removing the ends improves bulk.  I also found 65cm, carried on the bottom of my pack, to be awkward and you’d bump into a lot of stuff (doors being the most annoying).  58cm is much more manageable. 180cm long is good for me as a 6’2 side sleeper.  Flexmat Plus LW stock is 617g.  trimmed to 58W, 180L is 519g.

trimmings

2) Flat folding mat to lay on to.  This spreads your weight on the eggs, giving exta support so that the eggs under you don’t fully collapse.  Too thin/low density and it wont spread your weight.  I use a Decathalon roll mat which I tuned into a folding mat.  This mat also acts as my back panel.  Advertised as 180cm x 50cm, mine is 180 x 53cm and weighs 223g (advertised 210g but I guess mine is cut wide).  to turn it into a folding mat, I measured, folded and then placed wights on top and used a hair dryer to soften the edges.  When it cools, it holds its new folding shape.  In an ideal world I think you could make something better and lighter using a thin layer of HD foam joined to a thicker layer of low density foam.  Used to be £5, now £7 :)

Decathalon Mat

3) Optional sheet.  I use Thermarest synergy sheet lite.  As well as being nicer to sleep on than foam and easy to wash, I reckon it helps to trap air, improving the insulation of the system.  The sheet also has quilt attachment points that match up with my Thermarest quilt so I never use pad straps.  I have the wide sheet at 94g but I think the normal version might fit this system (74g).

Sheet

On paper the system would have an R-value of 3.6 (2.2+1.2) but I believe that foam to hit r value in real life while inflatables under perform their R-value in real life. Trapping air with the sheet could add an extra 1 or 2 to the R-value.

I’ve had this system out on a few nights below 0C and I’ve been comfortable and I have no problem sleeping comfortably with this system.  The Exped Flexmat Plus LW is a bit expensive and definitely flawed but with some minor mods and adaption I think its about as good as you can get for CCF if you need some extra width.  The Nemo Switchback looks like a great design but I can’t quite do 50cm width as a side sleeper.

System total is 742g w/o sheet (836g w/ sheet) which isn’t that far away from something like Tensor trail reg/wide + thin light at 594g, which I think could be a fair ultralight comparison.

System could lose 50-70g if you got the materials just right for the flat mat.  Something like plastazote HD30 2mm bonded to 3mm Plastazote LD30 or EV30.

 

 

simon t BPL Member
PostedJun 22, 2025 at 9:39 am

I guess you can also take into account the savings of 50-90g of frame weight by using the flat ccf as the frame.  At 7mm/49mm the folding decathalon does throw your centre of gravity back a little.  I use a running vest style pack with up to 2.6l of water, my phone and some quick access stuff carried in the veat strap pockets.

simon t BPL Member
PostedJun 22, 2025 at 1:43 pm

Sure, it’s pretty heavy for a sleep mat in isolation but as part of my system, its weight well spent.  I have;

A comfortable sleep mat that takes me below freezing and wont puncture

A decent pack frame

A decent seat/sit pad (folded flex mat)

With an optimised flat mat and a custom sheet, such a system could probably touch 700g without losing comfort or performance, which is within touching distance of being competitive with decent reg/wide inflatables plus thin light, which start around 600g.

jscott Blocked
PostedJun 23, 2025 at 1:38 pm

How about a Gossamer Gear thinlite pad beneath an off the shelf Exped? that’s what I use to prevent punctures and add a tiny bit of R value.

There’s no way that I’m going in to operate on a BA pad, or any other. Especially if the result weighs more than where I began. many here are more skilled at this sort of thing than me. Have at it! I salute all those in the trenches from the safety of my studio apartment.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJun 23, 2025 at 3:23 pm

“A comfortable sleep mat that takes me below freezing and wont puncture”

On my last trip my pad punctured.  I slept rather uncomfortably.  I threw a rock over a branch to hang my food, and the rock hit my air mat.

On the other hand, I’ve done many trips.  I can’t think of another puncture.  I’ve had slow leaks but I was still off the ground in the morning.  I’ve had delamination, but I could still use it for the rest of the trip.

The problem is more that I keep having to replace my air pad.

You have a good solution.  I’m thinking of that as good for car camping when I don’t care about weight.

jscott Blocked
PostedJun 23, 2025 at 5:56 pm

Sorry, my bad, I thought that somehow you were operating on the inners of an inflatable pad. Carry on past my nonsense.

still, no way that I’m going back to a non inflatable pad…

 

Dan BPL Member
PostedJun 24, 2025 at 1:22 pm

HYOH, but with the great inflatable technology currently out there, there’s no way I’m carrying more than 15oz for three season use, and I’m totally happy with 12 oz inflatable pads.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedJun 24, 2025 at 2:30 pm

13 ounces for 72 inch length, not bad

my uberlite is 9.5 ounces

I wonder why the xlite NXT is better.

With the uberlite, when I sleep on it, it feels like i’de roll off of it.  I wonder if the xlite nxt is better.

They must have obsoleted the uberlite because it has a high failure rate.

Dan BPL Member
PostedJun 25, 2025 at 5:01 pm

The xlite has a thicker shell than the uberlite, not as easy to puncture. The fabric is less slippery on one side, IIRC. I had bad luck with several uberlites and decided it was apparently too delicate for my use case. .

Pretty sure I have an older xlite that is 12 oz instead of 13 oz, maybe due to a simpler valve. I also use a Nemo Tensor sometimes. The weight is about the same as the xlite, I got it because I read on the forum that some people preferred the different inflation pattern for comfort. I don’t notice much of a difference.

John Brochu BPL Member
PostedJun 28, 2025 at 9:00 am

I’ve been using the Uberlite without issue so far but it always does feel like I’m rolling the dice. Usually (but not always) I have a 1/8″ ccf under it for a little extra protection, a tiny bit of extra R value, and for backup (doubled up) if I pop the Uberlite. But as mentioned, so far so good.

John S. BPL Member
PostedNov 8, 2025 at 1:22 am

I still only use a GG thinlight torso and sometimes I actually sleep.

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