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Cat Can Stove Question.

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PostedDec 22, 2015 at 3:27 pm

I’ve been using the cat can stove (ala Skurka’s instructions) off and on for many years, but have been pretty dedicated to it over the last 6 months.  I seem to be experiencing slower boil times than what I remember.  Here’s the only two variables I can think of.

  1.  I’m using Klean Strip “green” denatured alcohol and it’s pretty old (2 years?).  It’s been stored sealed, but old nevertheless.
  2. Temps have been much colder on many recent trips than what I’ve used the stove in before and it needs far more pre-heating.
  3. Perhaps the holes are too small and it’s a bit oxygen staved in the beginning.

Now don’t get me wrong, it gets a raging boil going….but it takes forever for it to heat up enough to pressurize.  It burns without much visible flame for nearly 5 minutes, then starts to sputter for a few minutes, and eventually the burner holes start to produce flame and it cranks out the heat.  The first nearly 10 minutes of slow starting and sputtering consume almost no fuel it’s burning so slow…then it kicks and and does the job with plenty of fuel to spare.  It seems to me that it needs more pre-heating for vaporization (I typically pre-heat for about 30 seconds).  That, or it might not be getting enough air in the beginning?

It still does the job and I love the simplicity.  But it strikes me that it’s really slow to start from what I remember back in the day.  Any thoughts?

James L BPL Member
PostedDec 22, 2015 at 3:40 pm

Graig,

Kleenstrip green is almost pure ethanol. It should burn very hot. Even hotter than methanol such as HEET.

Otherwise, a Super Cat stove is all about air flow if you want heat and speed.Are you starving the stove for air by fitting the windscreen too tight around the pot?

What are the hole sizes and how many?

Did you use a different pot or windscreen setup when you got faster boil times?

No matter what the ambient temp,the stove has only reached proper start temp when the alcohol is boiling on the surface(usually around the edges)..That takes longer in cold temps..Also, really cold water can cause cold flame out when then pot touches the stove rim..

Ben C BPL Member
PostedDec 22, 2015 at 3:41 pm

30 seconds of pre-heating has always been enough for me.  You are doing this with the top opening uncovered, right?  You can try a new bottle of yellow heat to see if newer fuel works better.  Fuel seems to last forever for me, though.

PostedDec 22, 2015 at 4:09 pm

No windscreen issue, there’s plenty of a gap.

I’ve been using this design: Fancy Feast from Skurka’s site

Yeah, preheating with the top uncovered.

I think it’s likely a matter of colder temps needing a longer pre-heat.

Like I said, it burns and boils like a champ once it finally does get going.

jimmyjam BPL Member
PostedDec 22, 2015 at 4:30 pm

Must be the fuel. Mine blooms pretty much immediately with yellow Heet and a titan kettle. My boil time is always around six minutes for 2 cups of water, I use a piece of aluminum flashing as a ground heat shield which is also the lid to my coffee cup/bowl.

 

Alex Wallace BPL Member
PostedDec 22, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Give it a try at home on a warm day. Any problems? Stick the stove & fuel in the freezer for a bit, take it out, and quickly give it a try. Same slow pre-heat problem as before? Admittedly, I know nil about alcohol stoves, but I’m willing to bet you’ll get your answer.

PostedDec 22, 2015 at 4:43 pm

jimmyjam, that was my initial experience using these, that’s why I’ve been confused.  Will by some new fuel today and do some cold testing as well.

 

Thanks all.

 

Edit….looks like it was bad fuel.  Found an equally old can of Klean Strip non “green” denatured alcohol in the garage, stove boiled 2 cups in 7 minutes and bloomed after a 30 second pre-heat.  Way different than what I’ve been experiencing.

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