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By The Numbers- How Much Wind Penetrates Your Air Permeable Outer Layer at Hiking and Running Speeds


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    Brett Peugh
    Spectator

    @bpeugh

    Locale: Midwest

    Sorry, yes.  Let me rephrase since my last post did not make sense and I edited it.  A 48300 in black would absorb more sunlight but me more air permeable.  A 48800 would be less air permeable but reflect sunlight.  Which one would you go with and why? Thank you for answering all the questions, I am just trying to learn more and hopefully other people are also.

    #3791684
    Stephen Seeber
    BPL Member

    @crashedagain

    The conditions I face in Colorado are undoubtedly different than those you face so I don’t think I can provide more useful advice than I already have.  Sorry.

    #3789199
    Stephen Seeber
    BPL Member

    @crashedagain

    Companion forum thread to: By The Numbers- How Much Wind Penetrates Your Air Permeable Outer Layer at Hiking and Running Speeds

    Stephen Seeber helps us answer the question, “do air-permeable garments allow a noticeable amount of ventilation while hiking or running?”

    #3802157
    Metamorphosis
    BPL Member

    @sanjog

    Stephen,

    For high exertion/sweaty activities (xc skiing and backpacking) in cold weather (New England), what are your thoughts on having HH Lifa 48300 between Fishnet and Alpha 60? Would that keep as much sweat away from the skin? Or is super light merino layer better between Fishnet and Alpha 60 for cold weather activities?

    #3802167
    Stephen Seeber
    BPL Member

    @crashedagain

    Hi Meta:  My winter uniform is Brynje, HH Lifa or Finetrack, Alpha 60, and a wind layer, which is usually a Shakedry jacket with 20″ pit zips.  I wear this for hiking, backpacking, and backcountry skiing.  Of course, you will need to vary the layers according to your level of exertion and wind/temperature conditions.  If it is particularly cold, I might replace the Alpha 60 with an Alpha Duo, which is two layers of Alpha 60 sewn together by Farpointeog.com. I also sometimes layer an inside-out Mountain Hardwear Airmesh over the 60 gsm Alpha Direct. When this is used without a wind layer, vapor can freeze at the ends of the exposed napped fibers of the Airmesh and then simply be brushed off. This works nicely when the cold winds are not blowing too hard.  When it gets really cold, such as high winds and temps in single digits F or below, I might cover the whole ensemble with a puffy such as a Patagonia Micro Puff or, with even lower temperatures, a Patagonia Macro Puff.  I don’t carry two Puffs; I decide which to carry based on the conditions I expect.

    I do not use Merino layers. I think it would generally reduce the MVTR of the ensemble and trap more moisture in its fibers due to both its hydrophilic properties and typically denser knit than the garments I described above.

    #3802174
    Metamorphosis
    BPL Member

    @sanjog

    This is very helpful. Thank you!!

    #3802221
    Metamorphosis
    BPL Member

    @sanjog

    Hello Stephen,

    Making sure that I am reading this correctly: “The air permeability of the 48300 is 1143.  I have not measured the MVTR of the 48300.  It is probably around 6800”.

    HH Lifa 48300 has almost the same air permeability as Brynje fish net?

    #3802258
    Stephen Seeber
    BPL Member

    @crashedagain

    Hi Meta. That air perm number is wrong. I corrected high air perm numbers in the updated article. The revised air perm is 613.

    #3802759
    Metamorphosis
    BPL Member

    @sanjog

    Thanks! Have you tried this kind of layering (Brynje fish net+ HH Lifa) for the lower body?

    #3802760
    NJGB
    BPL Member

    @naomibro

    Meta: wear the “fishnet” thingie when cycling, under my jersey

    #3845023
    Alexandre M
    BPL Member

    @plop

    Hi,

    Another great article :) I see you tested Brynje+Finetrack Elemental. I was wondering what do you think about Elemental Warm above Brynje? I see there is some loft so I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense but it would be interesting to compare to regular Elemental and also Lifa. Especially for cold weather obviously. Thanks in advance.

    #3845034
    Stephen Seeber
    BPL Member

    @crashedagain

    Hi Alexandre:  Thank  you for reading.  I have not used Elemental Warm. It is a denser and heavier knit, but not by much. From their website, the warm is 40 grams heavier than the standard, so a little less than twice the weight. They claim it is 50% warmer than the Elemental layer. The standard elemental layer is so light, thin and perforated that 50% won’t be much.  I would be concerned that Warm could hold a little more moisture, which might overcome the extra 50% warmth. I expect its air permeability and MVTR would be somewhat reduced.  So, I am guessing it probably would not make much difference in perceptible comfort.  That is just a guess, but I am not sure what a good use case would be from the little I know. However, I will send them a message and ask them to send me one of each for a full series of tests and, if they are willing, I will list the performance measures.

    #3845055
    Alexandre M
    BPL Member

    @plop

    Hi Stephen,

    That would be awesome! Looking forward to reading you :)

    #3845074
    Alexandre M
    BPL Member

    @plop

    Hi again,

    Actually I did a quick test. I washed it and weight it after and then every 20 minutes while drying at 20° and around 60% RH (just hanging in my home). Dry I weighted it at 117g. After wash 167g then 20’ later 142g and 20’ again 129g. This is for the long sleeve tee shirt. I was thinking to wear it above brynje and below alpha with shell above (for legs without alpha) for hiking or skiing in maritime winter weather. Where I live lifa is impossible to source.

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