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Breaking Down the Echo II to its Components

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James I BPL Member
PostedSep 14, 2017 at 9:09 am

So I might have the best wife ever who for our 10 year anniversary purchased me the complete Echo II system. While this wouldn’t be my #1 solo choice she definitely got something we’ll make use of together and have it be more than competent there checking all her comfort boxes and my weight boxes.

So far though two times out solo I found myself taking the entire system. In the summer I found myself saying, “hey, bugs and bathtub” and now bugs are dying off I’m saying to myself, “hey bathtub” and being less enthused about the additional almost full lb of weight.

So I need to grow up, get less complacent. For a UL solo setup, should I:

  1. Carry only the tarp + 6 stakes + GG polycro ground sheet
  2. Carry the tarp + beak + 7 stakes + GG polycro ground sheet (additional wind protection for not a huge weight savings, maybe making better 3 season shelter option?)
  3. Carry the entire system, even in months like Oct./Nov just to get DCF 11 floor bathtub protection and man the fuck up it’s only 1 lb. plus it’ll be better condensation performance (8 stakes minimum, 12 total if staking out mesh inner)
  4. Some other combination I haven’t listed

Thanks for the advice!

Here’s a refresher on the Echo II for those who need it:

Tarp & Beak:

Insert:

Specs (copy and paste from HMG):

<b>Echo II Tarp:</b>

<b>Weight:</b>

  • Without Guy Lines: 0.58 lbs | 9.2 oz | 261g
  • With Guy Lines: 0.69 lbs| 11 oz | 312g

<b>Packed Size:</b> 7.5″ x 5″ x 3.5″ | 19.1 x 12.7 x 8.9cm

<b>Area:</b> 68 sq ft.

<b>Material:</b> DCF8 Cuben Fiber

<b>Dimensions:</b>

  • Length: 8′ 6″ | 102″ | 259.1cm
  • Front Width: 8′ 6″ | 102″ | 259.1cm
  • Rear Width: 6′ 6″ | 78″ | 198.1cm

<b>Echo II Insert:</b>

<b>Weight:</b> 0.91 lbs | 14.6 oz | 414g

<b>Packed Size:</b> 7.5″ x 6.5″ x 5″ | 19.1 x 16.5 x 12.7cm

<b>Area:</b> 24 sq ft.

<b>Dimensions:</b>

  • Length: 7′ 0″ | 84″ | 213.4cm
  • Front Width: 4′ 4″ | 52″ | 132.1cm
  • Rear Width: 3′ 9″ | 45″ | 114.3cm
  • Height: 3′ 5″ | 41″ | 104.1cm

<b>Materials:</b>

  • Mesh: No-See-Um Mesh
  • Side and Foot panels: DCF8 Cuben Fiber
  • Bathtub Floor: DCF11 Cuben Fiber

<b>Compatibility:</b> Echo II Tarp, Echo II Beak, Flat Tarps

<b>Echo II Beak:</b>

<b>Weight:</b> 0.27 lbs | 4.6 oz | 122g

<b>Packed Size:</b> 5.5″ x 4″ x 3″ | 14 x 10.2 x 7.6cm

<b>Dimensions:</b>

  • Length: 4′ 3″ | 51″ | 129.5cm
  • Width: 4′ 3″ | 51″ | 129.5cm
  • Hypotenuse: 4′ 4″ | 52″ | 132.1cm

<b>Material:</b> DCF8 Cuben Fiber

<b>Compatibility:</b> Echo II Tarp Only

Steve K BPL Member
PostedSep 14, 2017 at 9:29 am

In cooler months with fewer bugs I take my pyramid without any kind of inner, just a sheet of polycro. It’s plenty sufficient, and much lighter than a full inner, assuming your sleeping bag has just enough DWR treatment on the outside to deal with a little bit of splash up here and there.

If you use a foam pad that you pack outside your pack, you probably could do away with the polycro too.

James I BPL Member
PostedSep 14, 2017 at 9:50 am

I’m relatively new to tarp only setting up, how many times realistically have you woken up in the rain, wet? Picking a spot to avoid it is relatively self-explanatory, but I’ve pitched in the dark enough to know you don’t always get the best idea of your surroundings sometimes.

I was debating picking up or MYOG a cuben fiber bathtub groundsheet combination. This worth my while?

Steve K BPL Member
PostedSep 14, 2017 at 10:44 am

I’ve never woken up wet in the rain. The worst that has happened while tarp camping is I rolled off the pad and out from under my tarp so that a couple inches of my sleeping bag got damp. It mostly dried out by the time I packed up, from body heat.

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