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    DAN-Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

    Brad, my testing is consistant at 70 degree starting temps. Stovebench testing has to have set parameters.

    #3762781
    bradmacmt
    BPL Member

    @bradmacmt

    Locale: montana

    Brad, my testing is consistant at 70 degree starting temps. Stovebench testing has to have set parameters.

    Dan, yes, I’ve been clear on that from the beginning.

    #3762783
    Jerry Adams
    BPL Member

    @retiredjerry

    Locale: Oregon and Washington

    I like that modification Chris.  I believe you mentioned that previously.

    yeah, 2 g of fuel used isn’t useful without knowing temperature rise of the water.

    Usually, when I heat water, it starts pretty cold.  Maybe 40 F or something.  If I had a target end temp it would be 195 F or so.  And if I’m comparing two conditions, like with and without windscreen, I’ll normalize with the actual temperature difference.  If my target was a 155 F temperature rise, but I only did 150 F on a particular test, I’ll multiply the measured fuel used by 155 / 150 and use that for comparison.

    #3762792
    Jon Fong / Flat Cat Gear
    BPL Member

    @jonfong

    Locale: FLAT CAT GEAR

    A simple way of looking at it is that you need ~5 grams of fuel to raise 2 cups of water from 70F to 212F so that is about 5 grams to raise the temperature by ~150 F or 30 F per gram of fuel. So for every 30F lower than 70 F (water at 40 F) you need to use 1 gram more fuel.

    Stove Efficiency is simply the Energy required to boil water/Energy available. Once you know the Efficiency, you can calculate fuel consumption based upon water volume, water temperature etc.

    Energy required to boil water Mw*cp*ΔT
    Mw=Mass (g)
    Cp= Specific Heat Capacity (4.186 J/gC)
    ΔT =difference in temperature (C)

    Energy Available (Isobutane) Specific Energy*Mass
    Energy Density (isobutane) – (45208.8 J/g)
    Mg = Mass of gas (g)

    Efficiency = (Mw*cp*ΔT)/(Specific Energy*Mg)

    A stove boiling 2 cups (473 ml) of 70 F water to 209 F using 4.9 grams of fuel has an efficiency of 70%.
    Now what happens if you are boiling 500ml of 45 F water at 10,000 feet, how much fuel is required?
    The boiling point of water at 10,000 feet is 194 F (or 90 C) with a starting point of 45 F (7.2 C)

    0.74=(500g*(4.186 J/gC)*(90C-7.2C))/(( 45208.8 J/g)*(Mg))
    0.74=(473*4.186*82.8)/(45.2088*Mg)

    Solving for Mg = 5.5 g of fuel

     

    My 2 cents

    #3762798
    bradmacmt
    BPL Member

    @bradmacmt

    Locale: montana

    I was told there would be no math…

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    DAN-Y
    BPL Member

    @zelph2

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