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    Steve H
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    If you already have/had a rain shell you plan to keep for a while longer (as tech develops to deliver a one-shell solution for rain & wind), what are the best wind shirts?  Low CFM high MVTR.  I would really appreciate a response on this.  I’ve read the great research (thanks Stephen & others) & am looking for a net/net on a wind shirt.  Or Helium Wind Hoodie? EE Copperfield? Houdini?  The sales are on & I want to upgrade from a fauxdini to a wind shirt that pairs well with my Alpha Direct.  THANKS!!

    Monte Masterson
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    Locale: Changes Often

    Montbell Ex Light or Tachyon Parka

    “as tech develops to deliver a one shell solution to rain and wind”

    I too enjoyed reading Stephen’s findings even if they were technically a little over my head, but I don’t think I saw mentioned what is probably the closet to being a viable hybrid (rain/wind) jacket and that’s the Berghaus Hyper 100 3 layer Hydroshell Elite Pro. MVTR rating of 50,000 and HH of 20,000. I haven’t bought one (yet) because I’d have to order from the UK, however from all the research I’ve done it’s probably as close to being dual function as anything that’s come along so far. Some members on another thread which pondered the idea of such a hybrid shot down the concept of a rain/wind jacket saying it’s not realistic…. yea whatever. I hardly ever hike in sustained rainfall for more than about 30 minutes anyway before I stop to pitch a tarp, so the eventual wetting out of a sub 4 oz (M) Hyper 100 wouldn’t be a big issue for me on 2 season SUL missions.

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    The EE Copperfield in 7D and an alpha direct fleece make for a very versatile set of layers that only weighs a little over 5 oz. The Copperfield in 7D feels noticeably more breathable than my Montbell Tachyon. Timmermade has some interesting windshirts too.

    Steve H
    BPL Member


    Thanks Monte and John for your input.

    Gary Dunckel
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    Locale: Boulder

    I’m not up on the newer materials, but I’m a big fan of my 3 Marmot wind shirts (REI had a killer sale on them a few years ago). They are made from Pertex Quantum. I applied a DWR treatment to the back and shoulders, which nicely repels a mild rain shower. If the rain lasts awhile I just get under a big tree and wait it out.

    Diane “Piper” Soini
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    Locale: Santa Barbara

    I have an EE Copperfield in 10d. I love the thing. I wear it all the time in normal life. I can’t tell you if it’s “the best” but I’m happy with it. One of the best things about it is how small it packs down. I can carry it in a small fanny pack along with all my other stuff. I used to have a Houdini and I loved that thing too. It also fit in my small fanny pack and it had the benefit of not looking quite as shiny as the Copperfield.

    Bill in Roswell
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    Locale: Roswell, GA, USA

    Timmermade is using a material for windshirts called Hyper D. The 20d fabric is said to be more breathable than Argon 90. The pullover weighs 1.9 oz. At $95 looks like a bargain. Full zip is 2.5 oz. adds $35. Custom sizing avai!able. May have to try with my quarterly bonus check! Doesn’t look shiny either.

    Steve H
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    Thanks, looks like the EE Copperfield is a fave and the Timmermade Hyper D is interesting.  Wish we had some (Seeber-type) data on CFM and MVTR.  Nice to have the comparison of the Copperfield to the Tachyon.

    Christopher S
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    I wouldnt worry about MVTR at all in a windshirt – the most important thing is the level of wind you want it to block. If you run cold or are going to be in a crazy windy and cold environment then you want something with a lower CFM. If you run warm and are in highly variable environments then probably a higher CFM.

    Personally I do not think MVTR translates well to real world moisture dumping – its a very specific test and comes up with some interesting results but I do not have much faith in it.

    Keep in mind that regardless of how well a fabric passes moisture the level at which you can produce moisture is going to be far higher and also far more variable. If you run warm and buy one just based on MVTR and are then overheated the entire time you are gonna end up a lot wetter than something with questionable MVTR and the right amount of airflow to keep you in a more comfortable zone.

    Adrian Griffin
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    Locale: Sacramento

    Take a look at the Zpacks Ventum. There’s a review here on BPL. It’s 1.6 oz. Not waterproof, but with today’s weather forecasts (at least in the Sierra), I know if the Ventum will do, or if I need to take my waterproof-breathable.

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    for the EE fabrics, the weight is porportional to the CFM.  – “Our 20D is around 1cfm, which is considered nearly windproof. 10D is around 10cfm, so it’s highly wind-resistant. 7D is around 35cfm.”

    Membrane 7 is 6-7cfm per RSBTR.

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