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Quilt/bag shell condensation

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PostedFeb 11, 2015 at 1:22 am

My newish sleeping bag (DWR down) has a Hydronaute XT* shell.

My newish quilt is a MLD Spirit, with a MLD Endurance 10d 3x DWR** shell.

I recently found that with two people in the smallish 2 person tent at somewhere around freezing inside the tent, that if I used the sleeping bag without the quilt in the morning the shell would look and feel soaked.

If I used the quilt over the bag, in the morning I found the bag shell dry, and the quilt shell would look and feel dry *except* for quite a lot of droplets of water that formed on the surface that were easily shaken off.

I do not know what was going on the inner side of the shell, after a few days the quilt started to develop ice within the insulation. Evidently the dew point seems to be somewhere between myself and the outershell of my outermost layer at the time. (The tent stayed relatively free of condensation, with the exception of some parts of the bathtub floor and the outer's roof).

I just tried a rather simple test of pouring a bit of tap water on the quilt shell and the bag shell, the DWR looked to act about the same on both fabric, beaded off leaving no wet patch. (Wasn't practical to test the shell DWR from the inside.)

What do you guys make of that fabric being soaked vs beading from condensation?
(Is H-XT a poor choice for a sleeping bag shell? Does Pertex Endurance behavior similar?)

I notice H-XT is illustrated* to have some sort of 'membrane', though no mention of waterproofing (I've read on BPL of the badness of WPB bag shells…). As far as I know Mont is a smallish company, I imagine H-XT is just a rebranding/licencing of something a bigger player is making, any ideas as to what?

* http://www.mont.com.au/hydronaute-xt-info
** http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/fabric.php

PostedFeb 11, 2015 at 5:18 pm

If the dewpoint is within your insulation then you will have condensation within your insulation. When you used the overquilt you effectively moved the dewpoint out of the bag and into the quilt because the outside of the bag was kept warm by being inside the quilt.
The breathability or moisture vapor transmission capability of the fabric plays a role but it is a relatively small one in this kind of situation, since the moisture condenses mostly before it reaches the shell fabric.
You can't affect this very much, except by using a VBL liner or clothing to stop the moisture from getting into the bag /quilt in the first place. The only other way is to generate so much heat that you actaully warm the outer shell of the outer layer enough to get the dewpoint out past it, but it's nearly impossible to pull htat off – you'd be so warm inisde there that you'd be sweating unless you could stay warm with a much thinner layer of insulation, which isn't likely (tibetan monks not withstanding).
This conundrum is why VBL's exist.
My own take is that I'd prefer to have a more breathable outer layer than a more water resistant one on a sleeping bag or quilt. It helps just slightly with the interior condensation issues, but more importantly it will dry faster if you can get it into the sun during the day.

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