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A twist on the age-old thru-hiker shoe question

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John Rowan BPL Member
PostedFeb 6, 2015 at 6:57 pm

(Well, maybe not a twist, but definitely an individualized version.)

I am setting out on the PCT in late April, and despite feeling like I'd finally sorted out my trail shoes, I'm again on the market. I know that the answer to the generic "shoe" question on a thru-hike is to go up a size or two to account for foot swelling and widening, so that's not really what I'm getting at, at least not directly.

Although I've only been doing serious backpacking for about 2 years and ~800ish miles or so, I walk 5-7 miles a day to/from work a lot of days and thus have wound up walking about ~1500 miles a year for the last two years. (I keep track, mostly because I clearly need more hobbies.) The walking I've already done seems to have been enough to push my feet from a size 11 (which I'd had since 8th grade or so) to at LEAST a size 12. The size 12 Cascadia 9s I took on my 2014 trips still fit nicely, but it's because they've stretched a bit with my feet (which have continued to widen), and I am willing to bet money that a new pair of size 12s would be uncomfortably snug. The issue is definitely an issue of width, and I'm now at a point where my feet are so wide/flat that virtually everything is ruled out.

Figuring that the best solution to my Cascadias being too small was to size up, I snagged a pair of size 13s, which felt great, right up until the point where I started wearing them outside (thus voiding the Zappos return policy), at which point I started to notice that my foot (wide, not long) really didn't line up well with the last, leading to weird pressure point pain and occasional numbness. Pain goes away when I go back to my comfy, but worn out, size 12s. I am experimenting with a couple of pairs of Altra Lone Peaks (which I'm pretty sure is the universal "wide/flat feet" shoe recommendation), which are working pretty well, and which also lead me to the actual question behind this thread.

After all of that preamble (and, really, kudos to anyone who read this far), my question is this- how big should I actually be shooting for in a thru-hike shoe, in terms of actual feel? Should I aim for "good fit but a little loose" (like well-fit shoes with the laces loosened) or "big, floppy clown shoes"? I feel like the wideness of my feet (I don't know the measurement, but they're pretty epic) is driving my shoe sizing factors more than it does for most people, so now that I have a decent lead with the Altras, I'm trying to get a sense of how the prevailing wisdom fits my situation. (Especially since my feet have already grown 1-2 sizes since I forsook my sedentary lifestyle.)

Basically, rather than just deciding to "go up a size," I'm trying to get a sense of how much extra room to give myself. The size 13 Lone Peaks fit better overall, but the size 14s feel a little better on the bottoms of my feet but are pretty big overall.

Sorry for the longwinded, roundabout way of asking. This is just one gear decision that I'm trying to get right on the first go, since the people that get it wrong seem to universally have miserable experiences with blisters, etc., and the people who get it right are very happy they did.

Thanks for reading this unnecessarily long post. As a reward, here's a cute bear picture I found on the internet:bear

Seth Brewer BPL Member
PostedFeb 6, 2015 at 7:26 pm

My answer will be brief, but it comes from over 5,000 miles of thru-hiking and over 16 years of competitive Triathlon / Trail Running experience — so take it with the needed grain of salt, but here are my thoughts:

My magic combo (emphasis on MY combo – YMMV) for thru-hiking seems to be going up from a 12 E size measured, to 1 full size larger in the Altra Lone Peaks (used 4 pairs of size 13, or going up about the same for the Brooks Cascadia's (used for about 400 miles for the High Sierras, but could have also used the Lone Peaks if I had wanted to).

I used 4 pairs of Lone Peaks and 1 pair of Cascadia's on my PCT thru, and was much happier than the 5 pairs of Salomon XA Pro shoes that took me on my AT thru hike.

I find that the slightly corrective Superfeet Blue insole works the best for my mild overpronation that comes with my flat feet (the Green are more aggressive arch and hurt — as did the Salomon shoes, as they also have a higher arch.

Happy hiking and enjoy the trail! I hope you find your perfect combo!

John Rowan BPL Member
PostedFeb 7, 2015 at 7:30 am

Hi Seth- This is super helpful, especially since it seems like we're reasonably close in shoe size and foot width. I'm already leaning towards the 13 LP's (my office looks like a shoe store at the moment), so this is really useful feedback, although I'll obviously spend a lot more time walking around inside before I take them out and lose the chance to return.

Oddly enough, I ran into your blog post on the Lone Peaks during your PCT hike (I was doing some shoe googling) at about the same time I checked this post.

Valerie E BPL Member
PostedFeb 7, 2015 at 11:02 am

A thru-hike is a big investment, both financially and psychologically, and foot problems could potentially ruin your trip.

So why not seek professional advice from a good podiatrist who will look at your feet and your shoes, and give you suggestions about what will be best for YOU. I believe that, in the long term, getting that kind of advice will actually save you money.

Shoes that are too large for your feet will put your arch in the wrong place in the shoe (not good!) and can cause blisters from your feel sliding around. If you do, indeed, have flat feet, you may need a strong arch support or an orthotic… but a good podiatrist will know.

P.S. Cute internet bear photo! ;^)

Jeff Jeff BPL Member
PostedFeb 7, 2015 at 12:36 pm

I wore a 10.5 before my hike. I set off from Campo with a 11.5 pair that was definitely a little loose. I didn't even notice it anymore after the first day. They fit great after a week.

Just get comfortable running shoes with as much mesh as possible and be sure to size up. Enjoy your hike.

George F BPL Member
PostedFeb 7, 2015 at 1:06 pm

I started my PCT hike with boots that fit comfortably but not over sized and good insoles, superfeet, and my feet didn't change size at all. Half way through I changed to trail shoes but forgot to put the good insoles in them. Two weeks later my feet were bigger and squeezing the sides of the shoes. A little after that I scored some superfeet and my the fit in the shoes actually got better. For me the change in foot size was not swelling but a lack of good arch support causing them to collapse and spread out, and this even reversed when I got arch support again. I know everybody will have different experiences but for me strong arch support is essential. I find the deep heel cups on the superfeet also add to balance and control.

PostedFeb 7, 2015 at 2:43 pm

George is absolutely correct.

I went with heat-moldable insoles I got at REI and the blister and foot expansion problems have disappeared! It was amazing.
Even my knees felt better at the end of a day of steep downhills (using hiking poles).

D M BPL Member
PostedFeb 7, 2015 at 3:35 pm

On my PCT hike I found it wasn't necessarily the shoe but the insert. I also discovered through injury that I too had flat feet and lost weeks to Physical Therapy and had custom insoles made by the PT. I would not have finished my hike had I not gotten those insoles because my right foot ankle bone sinks inward and not having the support caused more problems in my calf muscles, which also had to be dealt with. So get everything supported properly and wide enough before you go.

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