Jetboil Sol discontinued?

they still are available at several retailers..

To answer your question, I believe the SOL aluminum is 10.5oz.

Thank ya.

I just found it weird that they would discontinue it, considering it was the lightest option? As I understand it, the MiniMo is the next closest one @ 15oz?

And. The 1.8 ltr Ti SUMO is only 12.5

All the Ti models are gone. And yeah,with them and the Al Sol gpne,JB now has a weight problem, because their current line is too darn heavy…simmer feature or not..

Eli,

I wrote a review of the Jetboil Sol for Seattle Backpacker’s Magazine. In that review, I broke things out by component for both the aluminum and titanium versions if that’s helpful. It’s toward the bottom of the review. Beware that numbers from Jetboil are a bit “spin doctored”. I believe my numbers are accurate and objective.

HJ
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Pretty sure that apples to apples the Ti version was only 1 oz lighter.

Eli,

If it’s helpful, I’ve got a Comparison Chart of MSR and Jetboil Integrated Canister Stoves on my blog in Appendix III. In that chart I list the weight, capacity, and price of each unit.

Errata: MSR has notified me that the production Windboiler units are coming in at around 460 g not 432 g as originally published. Apparently the pre-production version was a bit lighter. I was actually impressed that MSR would volunteer the information to a blabbermouth like me. I mean they have to know that I’m going to publish something on my blog. It’s nice to see a gear manufacturer that really tries to provide accurate weights for their products.

HJ
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Hikin Jim’s Blog

to get the 8.5 oz weight for the Sol Ti vs the 10.5 they listed for the Al version?
What peice did they leave off?

Thanks Hikin' Jim, I will check that out.

Jimmmer Ultralight, I understand that they didn't include the bottom cup thingy in the weight of the Ti.

Eli has it right. A bit of creative “spin doctoring” in my opinion to make the Ti version lighter than it actually is. Apples to apples there’s only about a 1.1 or 1.2 ounce difference. 9.8 oz is the correct number for the Ti Sol for comparative purposes.

Now, in real life would I bring the bottom cup? Well no. But if they’re going to do comparisons, they ought to be apples to apples. For a valid weight comparison, they need to remove the cup from the Al version. You can’t included it for one and exclude it in another if you want to provide a number for your customers to compare your products. I call B.S.

HJ
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Hikin Jim’s Blog

I just bought a Sol Ti (after returning the Mini Mo).

Weights out of the box with no modifications:

Pot: 4.63oz
Pot+Burner: 8.28oz
Pot+Burner+Lid: 8.97oz
Pot+Burner+Lid+Cup: 10.07oz

Is the fact that folks at Jetboil figured anyone smart enough to want Ti would also be savy enough to leave the POS cup and lid at home…..;)

So ,in effect ,Jet boil was just trying to give us "real world" numbers.

Or maybe not.

If they were that savvy, you would also think that they would analyze what the claimed weight included!

As for the lid, I can justify bringing it as I would think it would conserve fuel, I just think less holes in it would make it more effective at this.

As for the cup…I don't know…to protect the fins?

I just bought a Sol Ti (after returning the Mini Mo).

Weights out of the box with no modifications:

Pot: 4.63oz
Pot+Burner: 8.28oz
Pot+Burner+Lid: 8.97oz
Pot+Burner+Lid+Cup: 10.07oz

Interesting. Very interesting. I had heard that Jetboil had done some redesign on their Sol Ti because of the problems with the heat exchanger separating. This weigh in would tend to corroborate that. It’s a difference of about 0.2 oz, but it’s a difference none the less.

What we have is something like this:
Sol Ti — about 10 oz
Sol Al — about 11 oz
Zip — about 12 oz

You can buy a Zip for $75 at Dicks Sporting Goods. A Sol Ti was $150 as I recall, double the price. Most people are just not going to pay double to save 2 oz.

HJ
Adventures in Stoving
Hikin Jim’s Blog

"As for the cup…I don't know…to protect the fins?"

That's the only reason I've always carried the "cup"… to protect the fins from damage stuffed in my pack.

Thoughts anyone else?

The only use I might have for the cup would be in cold weather. You can place the canister (with stove attached) in the cup and add a couple ounces of warm water to spring the stove's output back to life. Otherwise, it stays home. I carry my Sol cup, fuel, and stove in a cuben bag, and I am careful as to how I pack things up. I'm not worried about protecting the fins beyond this.

Worth leaving at home?

Not sure on the JetBoils, but the Cozy on my Primus ETA weighs in at 59 grams / 2.1 oz.

I also bring the cup to protect the fins, and to protect any delicate gear that may come into contact with the metal edges of the fins when in the pack (two way street really).

While the heat exchanger fins help to capture heat from the flame, they also send heat back out when the cup is off the flame. The plastic bottom cup helps minimize the loss of heat when the cup is off the flame. I have an Olicamp heat exchanger pot that I made a foam rubber cozy for. This cozy has a flat bottom that encloses the fins and reduces heat loss through them. Obviously, I don't use the cozy while heating, but I don't see any reason to, as the hot gases are passing around the outside of the pot while heating. For better or worse, the Jetboil system is that way because it was designed that way. Since the cozy stays on all the time, you don't need a handle on the pot. Since the cozy stays on all the time, you can't have a bottom cover on it. The Jetboil can be used hanging, my other system can't. My HE pot can be used with a canister stove or an alcohol burner, the Jetboil can't. I don't see that as a deficiency, just a difference in design goals. My Jetboil usually stays in the truck for when I get back.

I’ve not felt the need to protect the HX fins on my JB pots. They’re pretty well nestled up in there. A modicum of care when packing should be sufficient for both the HX fins and the other gear in the pack. Now, if one is really jamming gear in there with some force because of the amount of gear in the pack, that’s a bit of a different story.

The idea of using the cup to hold warm water to supply heat to the canister is a good one. Not sure how much water it would hold if there’s a canister in there too, but perhaps enough.

And, yes, the cup would stop air from moving over the HX fins after the stove is off. However, one has to take the pot off the stove and put it in the cup which is presumably sitting on the ground. There might be some heat loss there depending on whether or not the bottom of the HX assembly were in contact with the bottom of the cup which I assume it would be. A foam cozy would insulate better.

A major source of heat loss is through the lid. A cozy over the top of the pot might be really helpful in that regard.

HJ
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Hikin Jim’s Blog