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Xlite ‘defoiling’?

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PostedDec 31, 2014 at 3:15 pm

Hi,

I've had a TAR NeoAir Xlite for just over 3 years and have 100+ nights on it without complaint – not punctures etc. The end attachments of the internal foil peeled off a while ago, but that never seemed to big of a functional issue.

However, over time the silvering on the foil inside has started to go. Mine is the old translucent outer so I can see through it pretty clearly if I hold it up to the light. The silvered sections are opaque, but there are big light holes opening up in places, most noticeably around the hip area and legs.. guessing this has to do with moving around and rubbing.

Am I right to assume this is impacting significantly on the R-value of the pad in these areas? Anyone have similar experiences or is this unusual (i.e. should I contact TAR about a warranty replacement)?

I'll be in Patagonia in just over a month and I suspect I will want all the R-value of the pad on at least some nights :)

Ralph Burgess BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2014 at 3:25 pm

You might be able to a replacement under warranty… but if you've got 3 years life out of a frequently used piece of ultralight kit like this, that's not so bad imo.

Joe Lynch BPL Member
PostedDec 31, 2014 at 8:36 pm

I had a leak in my three year old xlite that I couldn't find and shipped it back to cascade. Received a new one after about a week. Give them a call and explain your situation. Cascade has the best customer service of any company I've dealt with.

PostedJan 1, 2015 at 9:36 am

Definitely call them, and tell them about your trip plans to see if you can get an evaluation sped up.

FWIW, I started that thread, and Cascade Designs/Therm-a-rest replaced two mattresses for me before I switched to an XTherm, and now I can't see what's happening. Excellent customer service though, and my XTherm is still warm and toasty after two full seasons of year-round use.

Give it a go–they should take care of you.

PostedJan 1, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Thanks for the responses – that link does look very similar to the condition of my pad.

I'll shoot them a note (the challenges of not being in the US) and ask them about it – I suspect after 3 years of good use that this is expected wear and tear if that's their response I won't argue… if on the other hand they think it should have gone longer I'll happily take another pad :)

In the shorter-, Patagonia-term I'm going to pick up an Exped pad (strangely cheap in Australia) and also actually sell my girlfriends XTherm and buy her an Exped also… just about to order an Accomplice quilt from EE and the rectangular pads should 'couple' a lot better :)

If TAR decide to replace my pad on warranty after that I will happily keep it as a solo backup..

PostedJan 1, 2015 at 7:35 pm

Yeah, go to Cascade Designs web page. Their warranty program is ideal. I just got an old Neo Air replaced with the Xlite.

PostedJan 2, 2015 at 8:25 am

Just curious (and apologies for the thread drift)–why are you wanting to sell the XTherm? I personally think it's the best pad available on the market–the ideal trade-off between durability, weight, and performance. I use it as a year-round pad for that very reason.

I know some don't find it comfortable to sleep on, but other than that I don't see any major objections to what Therm-a-rest has accomplished with it.

PostedJan 2, 2015 at 3:39 pm

Just because two Exped pads will couple together without any gaps or the little thermarest 'valley' in the middle (my gf complains of falling between the pads at night). If I wasn't buying a double quilt I'd not bother… combination of a M pad for her and a MW pad for me should be a nice little bed.

Agreed the xtherm is a good pad, I've borrowed it for cooler conditions and am always impressed by how much heat bounces back up from it, probably warmer than my non-UL synmat 9 which weighs more than twice as much (in LW granted)

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