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Rethinking EB Karkoram 0 sleeping bag

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PostedDec 21, 2014 at 12:09 pm

After inspecting my new EB bag I may send it back instead of re-doing the draft collar. The main reason is what I feel is the lack of sufficient loft. It's almost like a Mountain Hardware type of "modest" loft.

I have a suspicion that EB uses the same shell and baffling for both the Karakoram 0 and the Karakoram -30 bag. If this is so the Karakoram 0 has a "looser" fill, which is more space to heat and likely more heat loss from convection around the looser fill.
To me a western Mountaineering/Feathered Friends type of very puffy loft is good because it means less shifting of down during use. Less shifting means less heat loss due to convection.

Despite the high price and despite wanting down with a DWR treatment the standard WM Lynx Long is looking better and better.

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedDec 21, 2014 at 12:14 pm

As you know from your Megalite you cannot
go far from WM, we have four of their bags and love them.

James holden BPL Member
PostedDec 21, 2014 at 12:22 pm

is the bag en-rated? …

richard has shown that "loft" by itself is a poor determiner of "warmth" in a sleeping bag

the most important thing is the amount of down fill, quality of the down (up to a certain point), and the fit of the bag

the EB is a riskless purchase in that you can simply send it back …

remember that rather here we BPLers obsess over factors that might influence the "warmth" of a bag .. those eurobums have come up with a system that actually TESTS the "warmth" in a scientific manner …

is it perfect? … no

but its a damn sight better than speculating about things

BTW just because its WM doesnt automatically mean its "warm" .. there have been quite a few responses and threads on BPL over the years, and quite spirited discussion when it was pointed out that the WM summerlite is en-rated (mens) to ~35F … when its supposed to be a 32F bag

quite a few BPLers have confirmed that they didnt feel as "warm" as they thought they would in it … we can dig up the senseless arguments if anyone wants

also note that the same thing happen to montbell … until they moved to being en-rated and added down to their bags (and REI as well)

;)

Ryan Smith BPL Member
PostedDec 21, 2014 at 2:14 pm

" there have been quite a few responses and threads on BPL over the years, and quite spirited discussion when it was pointed out that the WM summerlite is en-rated (mens) to ~35F … when its supposed to be a 32F bag"

It does seem like the Summerlite gets the most complaints out of the WM line. I didn't like that there was no draft collar for the neck or zipper. Drafts were a pain to deal with. The UL20 is great though.

Ryan

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