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Entry Level Frameless Packs After the GoLite Jam

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PostedDec 16, 2014 at 10:22 pm

All over the board, in every “ultralight on a budget” post, the GoLite Jam is the top recommended inexpensive frameless pack. Sadly, the Jam and its makers have gone the way of the dodo, and it seems to me that there are no adequate replacements on the market at the ~$100 price point. Some possibilities:

Granite Gear Virga 2. Not a bad pack, from what I hear, but it only comes in one size—huge. 52L is the size of just the main compartment, and there’s an extension collar and outside pockets to add to the capacity. Too big for a frameless pack IMO—I won’t be able to fill that space without going over a reasonable weight. Also the price is too high, at $140. That’s almost 1.5 times the Jam’s.

Cheap Chinese Stuff. I’m sure there are others, but I have personal experience with this pack. It isn’t well made. After reinforcing some of the seams it serviceable, but I wouldn’t recommend it to a newbie. Plus the torso size is way too short for most people.

REI Flash 45. This is the top contender, as far as I can tell. Comparable capacity to the mid-sized Jam, plenty of (removable) features but still minimal enough to be called “ultralight”… barely. It’s not frameless, but that’s probably a plus in the age of inflatables. Price is higher than the Jam, but still not too bad if you catch a sale.

What have I missed?

PostedDec 16, 2014 at 10:39 pm

If by entry level you mean cheap, second hand is the way to go. geartrade and the trade forum here. stalk them both for a week or two and you'll find something that fits your budget.

PostedDec 17, 2014 at 12:03 am

You can look at the CDT priced at 135. Right now, the six moon designs pack are at a very competitive price although it is not a frameless pack. If you are really wanting a frameless pack, the zpacks zero series is pretty neat depending on how much extra you want to spend on the accessories. You mentioned the REI 45 which is what I currently use and am happy with but it is not a frameless pack. You can also look at gossamer gear's g4 pack which is priced at 105 depending on if you want a hipbelt. Hope those suggestions help!

David Chenault BPL Member
PostedDec 17, 2014 at 9:47 am

I think the CDT is the best/closest approximation of the whole Jam package. ~130 makes it a very good deal.

PostedDec 17, 2014 at 10:02 am

Osprey Talon 44. It has a minimal frame; weighs 2 lb, 6 oz. Lifetime warranty. I like it better than the Flash 45 (which I ordered and sent back).

Jonathon Self BPL Member
PostedDec 17, 2014 at 10:14 am

Small comment about the Virga 2, as I'm not sure if many people have bought or tried one.

It's big, but if you burrito a short Ridgerest inside, a BV450 fits perfectly snug in the middle. The internal volume is large, but when in need of a bear can, I've liked it, and the can gives it some needed rigidity. I carry it around 22lbs or so, which seems well within its comfort range, at least for me.

Steve Meier BPL Member
PostedDec 17, 2014 at 10:45 am

I have the ULA CDT and really like it. I have broad shoulders so the S harness is great for that. I was surprised by how big it is–it's huge. I use a Thermarest Z-pad cut down as a sit pad to help with support and am very happy with it.

PostedDec 17, 2014 at 11:57 am

Aw, I'm sad the price has gone up on the Virga 2. I bought the original a few years back for $80.

I think they make the virga bigger because the therma-rest honestly takes up a bunch of the internal space. I'd really consider it more of a 20-30 L. If I carry a tent for the Mrs. And a 0 degree bag, something is probably strapped to the outside for example.

It's also got plenty of compression straps if you're smart enough to not fill it to the brim.

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