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Sleeping system/collection simplification

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PostedDec 3, 2014 at 3:57 am

I presently have three sleeping bags:

WM Summerlite (32d)
WM Apache MF (15d)
Marmot Col EQ (-20d, but really more like -15)

In the fall/winter I sleep on a Thermarest ProLite 4/Ridgerest combo and I find the WM bags to be good to their rated temps for me with a base layer bottom and a wool base layer or R1 top. In addition, I have some puffy clothes – WM Flight jacket and pants and a Rab Neutrino.

The vast majority of my trips are in weather no colder than the teens, but I like to do 4-5 winter weekends a year in the Northeast and Sweden. Lows have typically been around 0, but it pays to be safe to -15 at least.

For those of you in the northeast, what do you think about simplifying this collection to the Summerlite and a 5d bag like the WM Antelope MF (selling the Apache and the Col)? I am slim of build, so I think I could use both the Antelope and the Summerlight with my WM Flight togs. (But the 59" shoulders of the Apache make it a bit of a squeeze with extra puffies). Am thinking I could then use the Summerlite plus Flights down to the low twenties/high teens and then a 5d bag with or without Flights from there. And avoid carrying the Col anytime the temperature threatens to drop below 15d. How low do you think a 5d bag with additional puffies will go?

Stephen M BPL Member
PostedDec 3, 2014 at 5:20 am

I live in Michigan and have 4 bags.

35f 20f 0f -25f, I don't think I could ever get away with two.

Tim Marshall BPL Member
PostedDec 3, 2014 at 9:03 am

Why not a 2 bag/quilt system instead of 2 stand alone bags/quilts?

With a 30* quilt and a 10* quilt I can stay warm to -20-25*F by combining them. My personal two bag system is a 30 and 50 and i have a 20 and 40 system for my wife since she runs colder. When needed I can steal one of hers to use with one of mine for an even colder combo but a 30* + 10* would cover everything you're talking about.

-Tim

PostedDec 3, 2014 at 9:45 am

Just a note, if you're going to go with Tim's suggestions, make sure that the lighter over quilt is made out of synthetic, especially if you're using this for more colder weather. Otherwise, if you have two down quilts, or a down bag and a down quilt, the moisture will likely condense and freeze inside the top down part, which is more of an issue than in say an Apex quilt.

Even better yet, in more extremely cold temps, also combine with a VBL. With a VBL, you may be able to get away with using a two down whatev system.

For cold weather systems, i like sewing some light weight, highly wind resistant fabric to the bottom of a quilt. I've found it makes it easier to keep out drafts during those extremely cold, -F temps (especially if also very windy). Doesn't add much weight or bulk–i like M50 for this purpose. The fabric/quilt is still wide enough to get in and out of easily, but not quite as easy as a regular quilt.

PostedDec 3, 2014 at 10:44 am

Thanks for the insight guys. Combining the 15d and 32d bags hadn't really occurred to me – that's a great idea. And I always sleep in a VBL for multiple day winter trips, so that'll work.

PostedDec 3, 2014 at 11:32 am

of course, combining your two existing bags cold be problematic if they are both slim cut. Would be best if the outer one is wide cut and the inner slim cut… otherwise, things could be a bit tight.

Billy

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