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Jason F BPL Member
PostedNov 18, 2014 at 1:35 pm

Hi everyone. I've searched high and low on the forum to get an idea of what people are using for sleep systems. With that said, I have not found info based on my range throughout the year and hiking preferences. I'd like your opinions. I hike mainly in the northeast year round and camp out usually 1-3 nights in 3+ seasons. Considering 4.

I live in the Boston area and before I moved here I did most of my hiking in Harriman, NY. I had a TNF 35* down bag (which I still own) and a 0* bag for winter which I sold years ago thinking I wouldn't overnight in the winter anymore. As I've gone ultralight over the years I have purchased an arsenal of bags for every microclimate. I think it's getting out of control.

My TNF 35* bag was purchased in 1994 and has been great. I'm an average to warm sleeper and have had it to 24* under a tarp with no bivy and calm, dry weather. Finding it too warm for the summer, even with venting, I picked up a Montbell alpine burrow bag(?) #7. Rated to about 50 degrees and synthetic it has been a great piece of kit. Having lost the loft in my down a few times in damp, rainy weather I'm a big fan of synthetics. Especially with the advances over the last decade. Now I'm up in MA and NH in the White Mountains where I have been hiking/climbing year round for the last 5 years. Wanting a bag for the late, late fall and early, early spring I picked up a MH Ultralamina 15* bag. I've been very happy with it. Light and seems to be close to it's rating. In the midst of all this I bought a MLD Spirit 30 a few years back to try the quilt thing. While it's a well made piece of gear I have not been happy with it. Maybe it's cause I'm a side sleeper and toss and turn usually, but I'm always cold even with layers and a bivy.

My girlfriend and I closed Galehead hut this year and hiked through a downpour to get there. While my 35* down bag was dry, just the dampness and humidity affected the comfort of the bag. I was warm, but it seems to be a sponge for whatever moisture is in the air. This is where I start to feel I have a problem. I saw last years Ultralamina 32 on sale and on a whim I got it to replace the 35* down for wet, damp weather. I feel it's a bit redundant cause I could use the Montbell and wrap the quilt over that. The Ul'er in me feels that's too bulky and adds a few too many ounces.

I had a spectacular trip to Bondcliff last week and the Ultralamina 15 was more than enough. This got me excited to do more winter overnights. I don't feel the 15* synthetic and quilt will be enough even in a bivy and with extra clothes. Soooo, another sleeping bag!?! It's conceivable I'll eventually try a winter pemi loop or presidential traverse and want to keep it to only one more bag. I'm thinking something in the -15 range like the MH Lamina -15. I've been very happy with their gear. I suppose down is an option as well at these cold temps because rain is not a concern and I'll only be out for a few days at the most.

I've got the temp ranges covered, but can't help this system could be a bit simpler. I also own a ton of other gear that could supplement a sleep system including the Montbell Thermawrap, Patagonia DAS parka and other stuff; bivies, bag inserts, etc. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks. And yes, I'm a bit long winded.

Cheers!
jfro

PostedNov 18, 2014 at 6:18 pm

Yep, it sounds like you have "must have sleeping bagaritis". The good news, there are 12 step programs for it. Just a heads up, if you happen to get Doug I. as a sponsor, be afraid, be wary, wary afraid.

And no matter what he tells you, drinking recycled whiskey is NOT one of the steps and will in no way treat your issue!

Justin Baker BPL Member
PostedNov 18, 2014 at 6:31 pm

2 piece sleep system, 3 temperature range options:

a quilt to keep you warm in summer
a 3 season bag to keep your warm down to freezing
layer the quilt over the 3 season for winter.

quite a few ultralighters on here use this method.

Jason F BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2014 at 9:34 am

Thanks for the input. Fortunately, or unfortunately if you're my liver, my whiskey doesn't have a chance to be recycled.

With the spirit 30 quilt and the ultralamina 15, it sounds like I have everything I need. I haven't given up on the quilt yet. I've just had trouble with it in the colder weather. And I can return that 32* and feel a little less crazy.

Bob Moulder BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2014 at 9:55 am

If you have room inside the Ultralamina to wear your parka and insulated pants, you might be able to push the comfort range a lot lower. In the past I used a +20F MH synthetic bag with a Wild Things synthetic parka and MH Chugach synthetic pants down to about -20F.

Also, what are you using for a sleeping pad? With the above-mentioned setup I used a 3/4 Thermarest self-inflator glued to a full-length 3/8" CCF mat.

Quite frankly, at this point I'm going to have to do some experimenting myself with my current air mat, the Exped Synmat 7UL. Recently I used it on a trip with one overnight low of 17F and it was pretty much right at its limit. I'm going to try it with a 1/8" CCF mat on top to see if that works better.

Steve K BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2014 at 11:59 am

I'm in the NE too and my sleep system is simple.

If it's at or above freezing, my EE RevX quilt 30º overstuffed with an extra 2oz of down will take me down to freezing with the ThermARest XTherm. If it's going to be substantially warmer than freezing, I use the XLite.

If it's below freezing, I take the XTherm and pair it with my REI Expedition -20º down bag. Winter can be funny in that temperatures can drop way below you expect. I don't mess around anymore.

I used to use a synthetic 25º and a 2#11 0º bag but it's rare for them to come out now. I suppose the synthetic bag would cover my bases if I know a trip is going to be especially wet, but the RevX is right most of the time.

I don't sleep wearing any jackets. Those get draped over me if it is especially cold or pushed to the footbox to keep them warm for morning.

Jason F BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm

Bob, to answer your question I'm, like you, using an Exped Synmat UL7. Size small. I've only had it down to about 24*. That and the Ultralamina 15 was too warm. In colder weather I plan on doubling that with a good ol' Ridgerest. That setup should give me an R value of around 5.6.

There is also room in that bag for me to wear some heavier layers. There seems to be some mixed opinions around the board regarding that.

Peter Boysen BPL Member
PostedNov 19, 2014 at 12:49 pm

+1 for the two-piece sleep system. While most folks do one quilt, one bag, since I work at EE I do it with two quilts and that still works great (and I prefer it just because it's still easier to get into and out of two quilts vs. one quilt one bag). I have a 20° and 40° (EE Revelation and Enigma, respectively) and I've used them combined down to about -15F, although that also included layering up, so maybe that shouldn't be considered a normal temp rating for those two together.

PostedNov 19, 2014 at 1:58 pm

More seriously, i agree with what Justin B. wrote. A lightweight quilt, and a warmer, heavier bag is a good combo.

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