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Recommended tarp floor material for snow

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PostedOct 22, 2014 at 4:22 pm

Hello,

I've recently acquired a Golite Shangri-La 2 and am looking to use it beyond the shoulder seasons here in the Sierra (read: potential snow). I have a bivy that I'd use for shielding my bag from moisture for personal trips but am hoping for advice on a floor to obtain should I bring another along with me.

Bearpaw WD has bathtub floors in both silnylon in 30D and 70D and cuben in 0.74 oz/yd3 and 1.25 oz/yd3 that I've been considering. Obviously posting here I care about carrying the lowest weight I safely can, but given the conditions I might see with this I want to make sure that the performance justifies the material choice as well.

I'm concerned about the waterproof qualities of the silnylon, and durability of the cuben. I've heard that 30D silnylon as a tent floor might admit water through it given the pressure from person and bag, and that even 70D sil is uncomfortable from a slipperyness standpoint.

Conversely, I like the enhanced waterproof properties of cuben, but am concerned about microtears/abrasions from snow and ice crystals that might compromise it.

What do you folks think? Hopefully this is the right place for this, I found a few similar threads about tent floors both here and in MYOG, but none that addressed performance in snow.

PostedOct 22, 2014 at 8:41 pm

I've never found that total waterproofness is important on snow. I've used old polyethylene groundsheets many times that had lots of pinholes in them, with no issues. I suspect this is because although the surface of the snow may melt slightly under your pad, the water drains away into the snow below so there is very little hydrostatic pressure to deal with.
Slipperiness can be an issue, but I've never had it be a big deal, just annoying sometimes.
What I like best is a very thin foam pad – I got mine from Suluk46, he used to sell them as "Padded groundsheets" – 1/8" thick EVA. Mine is 30×76, weighs 2.65 oz. No sliding around, and gives you a little bit more insulation.

Bob Gross BPL Member
PostedOct 22, 2014 at 8:52 pm

I found that a polyethylene sheet works OK as a ground sheet on snow. Since it is slick, it won't freeze and stick to the snow.

–B.G.–

PostedOct 23, 2014 at 6:52 am

On snow, 30D silnylon will be fine. If there's a puddle under you, and you lay or kneel directly on the floor, some water might be pressed through the floor.

Is cuben less slippery? If so, it might be worth it for that reason.

Jerry Adams BPL Member
PostedOct 23, 2014 at 6:58 am

Good silnylon is waterproof. I assume they use good stuff. You could ask them what the HH is. Should be greater than 1000 mm.

If it's not waterproof or if it's slippery, coat it with mineral spirits:silicone 10:1. If it's just for slipperiness, you can put it just where you sleep. After many nights you may have to recoat.

Brad Rogers BPL Member
PostedOct 23, 2014 at 8:35 am

Any reason you wouldn't go with polycro (window film) or tyvek if you wanted something more durable. Both are cheap and have a long history being used as ground cloths.

I would hate to pay for cuben to use as a ground cloth.

I don't camp on snow often but have used polycro on snow a few times with no issues

J-L BPL Member
PostedOct 23, 2014 at 9:09 am

What about a tent footprint? A Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2 footprint is listed at 5 oz (per REI). The material is PU-coated, so it should be waterproof and not that slippery.

I've never used a PU-coated floor material on snow – only silnylon (which I found worked fine).

Dave @ Oware BPL Member
PostedOct 23, 2014 at 9:40 am

The 70d silnylon I have seen is coated one side, unlike 30d. It also has a bit of PU in the blend and is double weight the coating at .5 oz Yd squared. So it is less slippery than 30d and more waterproof but about twice the weight. It might be a good compromise if you need more waterproofness under high pressure/extreme wet conditions with more durability.

I often use just a full length closed cell pad, for winter use it augments the summer one like a previous poster mentioned.
The ones I use are 3/16" 20×76 is 5.25 oz and is waterproof to 3500mm. Adds an R value of about .75 too.

PostedOct 23, 2014 at 4:23 pm

Thanks for the responses all.

I guess the main reason I'm looking at the bathtub floors is for it to be versatile for this shelter. If I bring it on trips at late shoulder season and find rain instead of snow that would be nice for splashback. I imagine it may also help to stem spindrift if high enough? The other benefit is that BWD will tailor it to fit the pole structure internal to the SL2 so that I'm not having to wrangle a groundsheet around that.

Paul makes a good point about the water draining back out through the snow, but that argument might actually support having holes in the floor to allow it to drain back out. :)

David's comment about the CC pad is also well taken; I have a Thermarest that in some cases I've taken along with the air pad, might be more than acceptable for just me.

Meanwhile sounds like silnylon should be just fine for me. Now to debate on whether the extra weight of the 70D is worth it over the 30D…

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