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Colas Le Porc BPL Member
PostedOct 20, 2014 at 2:20 pm

Hi there

Fisrt post here, I'm from France and I'm likely to come hiking in Canada and the US in the next couple years. So I figured I'd better come to this forum and get to discuss with some of the locals :)

I'm looking for a new pack and I was hoping you had some suggestions.

So far I've used a MLD frameless pack for most trips, but now I'm attracted to packrafting and longer trips and I was considering getting a frame pack in the like of the ULA Epic.

For many reasons I like the idea of a frame to which I can attach DIY bags and accessories.

Although many people chose the Epic and I'm confident it's a good pack, I like to have options to choose from, problem is there's not so many lightweight frames out there. I wouldn't like to go heavier than 2.5lbs, depending on what I can find but so far I didn't find much !

Andrew Skurka for his hunting trip suggested this frame : http://store.kifaru.net/bikini-platform-frame-and-suspension-p116.aspx which is fairly light.

That gave me the idea of looking into hunting gear, but most hunting frames go from heavy to insanely heavy… Stone Glacier has this frame http://stoneglacier.com/Krux.html but I'm not sure of its exact weight since it's not sold separately.

So I come for suggestion, if you know of some packs that I've missed, please let me know

Thanks

David Chenault BPL Member
PostedOct 20, 2014 at 5:28 pm

My biased (I test stuff for them) opinion would heavily recommend Paradox Packs. You can get an integrated frame/pack (the Unaweep), or a separate frame and bag (Evolution).

Kifaru only works in 500D cordura. Lightest frame and bag combo is around 4 pounds (Bikini and Highcamp), and that is without any exterior pockets and (IMO) inadequate side compression straps for a larger pack. Stone Glacier uses Dimension Polyant fabric (not sure what version) for the bottom and back of their packs, to reduce blood staining when hauling meat while hunting. The top, sides, and front are 500D cordura. Cordura is a substandard fabric when packrafting. It's waterproof in normal rain, but not when lashed to the bow of your boat in whitewater.

All the Paradox packs are Dimension Polyant or hybrid cuben, all variants of which are excellent packrafting fabrics. Which will suit you best depends on durability preferences and how much you want to spend.

The other packrafting bags to look at are the various 4400 HMG packs. The few folks I've known who have used both report Paradox carries a heavy load better. HMG is lighter. Cost is basically the same.

Colas Le Porc BPL Member
PostedOct 21, 2014 at 2:30 pm

Thanks, I didn't know these packs, they seem like great packs Ill keep that in mind.

For the Kifaru I'm not concerned about the weight or lack or waterproofness of their packbags, I was thinking of making my own, so I'm only considering the frames. But you're right about compression, I don't see clearly on the picture where and how are the tieouts for strapping and compressing.

David Chenault BPL Member
PostedOct 21, 2014 at 2:44 pm

If you do some advanced Googling on the Rokslide.com forum you'll find good photos of the Kifaru frames. A few folks over there have made their own bags or modded other brand bags to fit.

Jesse Anderson BPL Member
PostedOct 21, 2014 at 3:05 pm

Another brand you might want to look in to is KUIU. They have a couple of different frame types that each will fit a few different size bags. I've never seen them personally but they look pretty slick and I've heard some good things about them. Seems like most of the current external frame packs are built for the lightweight hunting crowd. Few others are even trying to innovate on external frames, even with all their benefits over internal frames.

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