Need better gloves, Need help finding the right pair.

These are the warmest converta mitts that I've used. The windproof/waterproof membrane seems to make them that much warmer than plain fleece or rag wool gloves. These gloves have worked for me even into the low teens while steelhead fishing and not moving around too much.

http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/20516?feat=20510-bundle&dds=y

When you say liner, I'm not sure if you mean super thin liners or thinnish-fleece. If the former, Terramar makes them. If the latter, look at OR's PL Base or PL 150.

A general overview i wrote that may be of interest
http://www.pmags.com/glove-in-hand-layering-for-cold-weather

Black Rock Gear makes some down gloves, but I would not consider them durable for use while using hiking poles on the trail.

Standing around camp….might be a good option.

http://www.blackrockgear.com/mitt_splash.html

Tony

If you want something very weather resistant and tough for grabbing onto things, look at the mountain hardware torsion gloves. They aren't too thick.
Basically just a very light softshell glove with leather palms.

I generally just use military surplus wool liners. As a durable/snow-resistant shell, I use a pair of pigskin leather/canvas back work gloves which I cut the insulated liner out of. I also treated the leather with silicone water-repellent spray.

+3 on the wool military surplus liners. Cheap, readily available, and sufficiently durable for most backpackers.

For three season backpacking when the lowest expected temperature will be above freezing, I bring possum down gloves as my one and only pair. They don't have a reputation for being durable so I'd bring military liners for anything involving bushwhacking, processing wood, etc.

"These are the warmest converta mitts that I've used. The windproof/waterproof membrane seems to make them that much warmer than plain fleece or rag wool gloves. These gloves have worked for me even into the low teens while steelhead fishing and not moving around too much.

http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/20516?feat=20510-bundle&dds=y"

I'll have to look into these, thanks! The wrists do look a little short though.

As for the wool liners, I'll have to pick up a pair and try out. I'm thinking I want some versatility, maybe bring 2 pairs of gloves, one to stay warm around camp and some to hike in slash gather wood and such. There are just so many choices, I have a hard time deciding on what to get. Also I forgot to mention that I'm unfortunate enough to have weird hand, double jointed and shorter fingers so that alone makes it hard to fine gloves that fit me. My current glomits partially cut off the circulation to the tops of my fingers because my joint is really big.

Any good places that custom make gloves? Thanks again for the replies!