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That wind shirt ad light fleece combo thing

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Brett Peugh BPL Member
PostedSep 11, 2014 at 9:32 am

It seems like many people really like the RAB Vapor-Rise Lite Alpine jacket as a softshell for the windshirt and light fleece combo I thought I would try something similar out in a component fashion because I can’t get one in XXL and it will probably be cheaper.

Now it seems that some of the Better windshirts are the Arc’teryx Squamish Hooded, Patagonia Houdini and RAB Cirrus Wind Top of which only the Arc’Teryx seems to be around in an XXL at $150 which is way too much for a windshirt. Wouldn’t a similar breathable windshirt that has a good DWR coating on it be just as good?

And it seems that some people are using the Patagonia EW Hooded Capilene 4. Are there other suggestions? I am thinking about using my OR Echo s/s and l/s shirts layered on top of one another along with a fleece balaclava or hat that that I already own.

Steve K BPL Member
PostedSep 11, 2014 at 11:13 pm

For one the Squamish is really, really good. I don't care what the metrics say, the Squamish has been time and time again the one layer I grab most frequently when I get to pick from several years of Houdini (yes including the holy grail permeable one), Westcomb Crest, OR Ferrosi and a handful of others. Yes, the rest are very very good but the Squamish is a bit better in every aspect that I care about: it's a little more breathable, a little more durable, a little more abrasion-resistant, has the best hood and the cuffs are excellent.

Second, if you are trying to mimic the Vapor Rise, note that the Marmot DriClime and Ether windshirts are extremely similar. The DriClime remains a favorite when the mercury drops! It wicks extraordinarily well and most importantly, quickly passes moisture to the outside shell where it can dissipate. Separate layers don't do this quite as well since there are usually greater air gaps. It cuts the wind brilliantly too. However, in changing conditions where you might put on and off many combinations of layers, the DriClime becomes more weight and bulk and less versatile. If you can wear the DriClime all day, it truly shines.

David Chenault BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2014 at 7:31 am

You're thinking too hard Brett. The Vapour-rise liner is 60 g/meter, lighter than the lightest baselayer fabric by half. You will not get comparable performance from a non-denier gradient shell and a 160-200+ g/meter fleece shirt. Sizing issues might preclude a Vapour-rise, but there's a reason the Rab stuff is expensive and sought-after.

Brett Peugh BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2014 at 7:45 am

I get that and thanks. It is just that I don’t see anywhere in the US where you can buy that in an XXL. I will probably try out the Marmot Ether in XXL as you can get that. Now is this something that is supposed to be worn over a baselayer or on its own or both?

Steve K BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2014 at 9:36 am

I find the Marmot DriClime works best worn next-to-skin, and reasonably well over a trim-fitting t-shirt. Nothing else seems to wick sweat away better than the DriClime.

Dale Wambaugh BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2014 at 10:31 am

The Dri Clime is heavy for what it is as you're always stuck with the combo. It's either too warm or not warm enough. Using a separate wicking base layer/fleece plus a windshirt allows several combinations and the fleece can be used with a rain shell or sleep and you can dial in in to suit the season. Like soft shells, the Driclime can be great in just the right conditions, but not for a versatile UL clothing system. The open "shirt-tail" hem is a fail for me too.

Brett Peugh BPL Member
PostedSep 12, 2014 at 11:29 am

Yeah, I will agree in that separates would probably be better for me as it can range in temps here from about 100-0F in a given year.

PostedSep 12, 2014 at 11:47 am

I was surprised with how slim fit the Patagonia Houdini was, as the one I bought a couple months ago was my first one.

I ended up exchanging my Medium for a Large so I can still layer it over a puffy without compression. Normally I wear a small (Medium if I want to layer under).

There's always so much XXL stuff on Sierra Trading Post, not sure if they have the jackets you want, but would be worth taking a look. Also on GearTrade if you don't mind used items.

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