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The Frankenstein MLD Exodus/Arc Blast with custom features …..perfect pack?

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DGoggins BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2014 at 10:02 am

After having bought several used arc blasts….and after using them, I have fully decided that cuben hybrid is not durable enough as a pack material. For the slight weight penalty, I think dyneema X is a better option.

So, I contacted Zpacks (who are great to work with by the way) for the viability of having them create an arc blast out of dyneema. No problem. I would simply need to buy 2 linear yards of dyneema x from thru-hiker and have it shipped to zpacks. (including shipping, $63), and zpacks would refund $45 off the price of an arc blast. So….getting one in dyneema X was actually going to cost me about $20 more than a cuben hybrid one. Plus I would have to pay retail price.

Well…I bought a MLD exodus on the swap a while ago. I really like the construction of the pack, lots of nice, well thought out features. However, it only took me 1 overnight trip with a rolled up ridgerest as a virtual frame to decide, though while comfortable, it had awful breathability. It was a cool spring hike, and anytime I would take off the pack I would have a huge, wet perfect rectangle covering my whole back, even though not a drop of sweat anywhere else on my body.

I emailed zpacks and yep…..if I sent in the exodus, they could add an arc blast frame to it for….$50. Awesome. Thus, my Frankenstein pack was born ->

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Zpacks detached the hip belt, added some grosgrain, so it cover the bottom attachment points of the arc blast frame. I didn't actually ask them to do this…I was going to just use a zpacks lumbar pad to cover the area, but I think this works well.
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I had zpacks add the same loop of grosgrain to the bottom of the pack that they add if you buy an arc blast with a lumbar pad, in case I wanted to attach one. This would keep the lumbar pad from riding up.
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By adding the arc blast frame, once you compress the frame it would decrease the torso length by about an inch. So, for $5 zpacks detached the shoulder straps, and reattached them by adding grosgrain in the zpacks style to be the "tall" arc blast setting. Also in this picture you can see that I had zpacks add load lifter straps for $8. However….I wouldn't do this again. They are attached to the extension collar, with great workmanship, but the collar doesn't have enough tension to make the load lifters useful.
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I also had zpacks add base straps for $9, though they used grosgrain instead of a linelock with glowire like they did on the arc blasts that I had previously….and the grosgrain wasn't long enough to fit a rolled up ridgerest (if I was hiking with my son that uses it). I'll probably cut this off. So I simply used two zpacks linelocks with sewn on loop and cow hitched it to a loop on the exodus. Now I can easily take the ridgerest on and off and use it as a sit pad for breaks on the trail like I did with the arc blasts.
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Like I do with all of my packs, I add two small loops of shock cord…one on the shoulder pad, and one attached to various loops on the bottom of the pack with a small piece of vinyl tubing on it, which is a copy of the osprey exos trekking pole attachment system.
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All in all, I think adding an arc blast frame to an exodus is a much better idea than MLD's suspension system using an inflatable klymit pad. It costs about the same, weighs slightly less (depending if you bring along the bulb and whatnot, but the arc blast frame added about 3 to 3.5 oz), has much better breathability, is more durable, and takes no pack volume from inside your pack.

In the title…I did say this could be the perfect pack. Though….a few wishes:

1. I wish the exodus side pockets had more of a front slant to them to make reaching water bottles easier. Its not a deal breaker, and I have a zpacks shoulder strap pocket for a water bottle now (which by the way, after trying several I think this one is the best).

2. If I knew zpacks was going to cut off the hip belt, I think I would have paid to have them simply replace the hip belt with an arc blast hipbelt, though I'm not 100% on this. The arc blast hipbelt is easier to attach hip belt pockets to and makes a more positive connection to make it easier to both open and close a zippered hip belt pocket. But I still like the Exodus hip belt…they are comfortable.

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 10:24 am

Very cool.

"[the frame]is more durable"

I would disagree with this comment. I have had more carbon fiber goods fail that I care to discuss. With the pad there is nothing to fail. Should you get a hole in it (can't see that happening given the fabric type) there is a patch kit. Shatter a carbon fiber rod and then what?

Aluminum stays are best.

One other comment. The 150d hybrid cuben is substantially more durable than the 50d stuff and is at least on par with 210 dyneema gridstop. The sandwiched layer of dyneema threads is far more concentrated on the 150d. At least this has been my experience.

Again – thanks for sharing.

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 10:26 am

That is awesome. I don't like the MLD suspension, and I don't want a pack made of cuben (durability concerns), so this might be a perfect compromise. Joe, you should totally offer Dyneema X as a pack fabric option.

DGoggins BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2014 at 10:59 am

Yes, true…you could repair the klymit paid. But….to do so in the field means you have to carry the patch kit plus the bulb at all times. That is an extra 1.5 oz, at least.

And…if a carbon fiber stay breaks? True…you can't repair it in the field (well….I take that back. If it breaks its probably at one point and you could tape it and maybe tie lashing around the break point, then just not put a lot of pressure on it. True, you couldn't flex it as much, but you would survive the rest of the trip. Then when you get home…..I guarantee you that zpacks would send you another stay for free, or for a minimal charge. The stays are completely removable….as is the mesh, so if one part breaks you can repair/replace that part at home.

I've done a google search, and I can't find a mention of a stay breaking, so I'm not worried about it. I have heard of plenty of air pads leaking though.

As far as the material…plenty has already been discussed about the supposed durability of cuben hybrid. Sure the technical stats may say its as strong as dyneema x. But my real world experience has shown that it gets abrasion marks/holes much easier. I have 2 golite jams that I bought off the swap, this mld exodus, and other dyneema made packs that have had more real world abuse than the arc blast packs that I have bought, and I can't find a blemish on the dyneema x packs. I think its the nature of the material….it slips/slides over obstacles…whereas the cuben catches.

Not to mention….the cuben hybrid is more like a cloth material….it stains from dirt and can't clean it well. The dyneema x with just a little bit of water has the trail dirt just wash right off it.

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 12:17 pm

Full agreement on the 50D Hybrid Cuben but the 150D is an entirely different animal.

DGoggins BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2014 at 12:54 pm

Ok…sorry about that, I should have reread your post better.

So zpacks arc blast packs use the 50D polyester on the outside…which packs use the 150D?

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 1:11 pm

Awesome! I'm trying to decide between sending my MYOG pack in or doing it myself now that I saw you post!

So the carbon fiber side stays, are those straight carbon fiber tubes bent under tension by the trampoline back/linelocks?

I'm wondering if I'd be able to just use some 18" .340 aluminum tent pole sections and do the same, with the same tubular aluminum cross strut…

How long are the side stays?

Any thoughts/suggestions you could give me?

David Chenault BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2014 at 1:22 pm

I find it totally nuts that Zpacks only charged 50 bucks to do all that. They must have their crap dialed to make money on such a job.

J-L BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm

Looks awesome!

150D Cuben Hybrid: as far as I know, only HMGs 4400 series of packs are using this material now. I've never touched the stuff – I've only used 50D

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 1:35 pm

"I find it totally nuts that Zpacks only charged 50 bucks to do all that"

SHHHHHHHHHHHhhhh I'm hoping I can get a similar quote!

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 1:38 pm

"150D Cuben Hybrid: as far as I know, only HMGs 4400 series of packs are using this material now."

Available now on any model.

DGoggins BPL Member
PostedSep 10, 2014 at 2:18 pm

@And E

The stays are a flat carbon fiber 5/16" wide by 1/8" thick. Side stays are 22 7/8" long, cross braces are 10 1/2" long. Yes, they are bent under tension by the panel/lineloc system.

I think zpacks originally used round carbon fiber tubes first…but..don't quote me on this, they switched to flat stays for durability reasons.

As for other suggestions…yes, just have zpacks do the work and do it today!

PostedSep 10, 2014 at 2:49 pm

I doubt they made any money on this. Joe has the wonderful policy of developing new products in collaboration with customers, so I wouldn't be surprised if they chalked this up to R&D and barely broke even.

PostedSep 11, 2014 at 9:39 am

He gave me some good pointers and advice and I just ordered some frame pieces and the mesh trampoline back so I can sew them on myself! With the mod, I'll be able to switch back and fourth between the two frames if I need to.

Thanks for inspiring me, John!

Adam BPL Member
PostedSep 22, 2014 at 4:42 pm

Very inspiring stuff. Great to see some excellent collaboration happening :-)

Jared Tanimoto BPL Member
PostedMar 21, 2015 at 3:26 pm

That pack is awesome!!! Thanks John for such a detailed post. I was thinking about copying your idea and making my own Exodus/Zpacks backpack. I'm just curious as to what you would have done differently and if you think it's worth adding that mod to the MLD Exodus or just going with the Arc Blast.

Any tips or recommendations to someone looking to make their own Frankenstein MLD Exodus?

Posted this to your Frankenstein FS thread but not sure where the best place to post would be. This is my first post to BPL.

DGoggins BPL Member
PostedMar 21, 2015 at 4:46 pm

Well, if you currently have an exodus, and really love it, then sure, you can mod it into the Frankenstein pack.

I am kind of a perfectionist though, so when I learned that zpacks was going to start making packs in dyneema, I ordered an arc haul and sold the Frankenstein pack ->

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=101118

Basically, I liked the ideas of the new arc haul, and I like a clean look which the MLD pack didn't quite have once it was butchered up. It felt fine though, just didn't look like a production pack anymore.

At the time, the Frankenstein pack was the only way to get an arc blast type of pack in dyneema. Now…zpacks makes them. (maybe my own pack that I sent in to them pushed them over the edge in showing that customers wanted an arc blast frame but in dyneema).

So, you can either sell your exodus and buy a new arc blast/haul (more expensive probably), or send it in to zpacks. I think you'll be happy either way.

PostedMar 21, 2015 at 7:11 pm

And I've got a frankenstein pack just like that, (I've been calling a MLD/ZPacks hybrid pack), on sale on the gearswap right now. Sorry to hijack your thread, coudn't resist the shameless plug.

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