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  • #1216480
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    I have two cannisters and one Ursack. I love hiking in Yosemite and Seki. My question is this, with all of the bear boxes in the Sierra’s can I just use the boxes sans cannister? Would a ranger give me grief if I was storing my food in one of those boxes. The Rae Lakes Loop and other areas have boxes strategically placed along the trail. I am curious if they would want to open my pack or if I explained my intentions they would let me go on.

    #1339868
    Jim Busick
    Member

    @earthroamer

    Here are the food storage regulations:

    http://www.nps.gov/seki/snrm/wildlife/food_storage.htm

    Although I was not stopped on the Rae Lakes Loop, the ranger checked us before we started for bear canisters and another hiker on the trail reported that he saw the ranger stopping people and checking. The fines are stiff.

    #1339870
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    I too have been checked. I think the lightweight community might suffer from this more because we tend to have smaller packs. I was wondering if you were doing, lets say The Rae Lakes Loop, the boxes are placed in all of the heavy camping areas, would it be possible to just use the boxes. I do know that PCT and JMT hikers have an exemption from cannisters (I could be wrong). I am just looking for a alternative to using a cannister. Mind you I just did 4 days in SEKI two weeks ago and total pack weight “with” a cannister was 20lbs.

    #1339881
    John Carter
    Member

    @jcarter1

    Locale: Pacific Northwest

    I just returned from the Vogelsang loop (starting at Lyell Canyon — the John Muir Trail south of hwy 120 in Yosemite). The woman at the wilderness permit station, where I got both the permit and a bear canister, told me that if I could make it to Vogelsang and use the bear boxes at the high Sierra camp, I wouldn’t need to bring the bear canister. I would imagine this applies to any camp site with established bear boxes. Best to call the ranger station to be sure, though.

    btw – excellent conditions up there right now. Grass is green, wildflowers are abundant, mosquitos are beginning to thin, passes are free of snow, 40 deg nights, upper 70 deg days. Avoid the low valley, which gets to 90 deg.

    #1339926
    Jim Busick
    Member

    @earthroamer

    The regs say that if you have a PCT/JMT permit and you camp a sites that have food storage lockers (and you use them), then you don’t need a canister, otherwise everyone on Rae Lakes Loop needs a SEKI approved canister.

    #1339933
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    thanks for the input guys.

    #1340812
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Product Warning

    If you use a BearVault or Bearikade, or know somebody that does please pass this on. For the last two weeks approximately 7 BearVaults and 2 Bearikades have been broken into by a bear in a specific area of the Sierra. At this time these incidents are isolated to this specific area and possibly one or more bears. The Sierra Interagency Black Bear Group has pointed out that at this time this does not affect the approval status of any BearVault models. The local rangers will attempt to tag the suspected bear(s) and observe its behavior during interactions with bear canisters put in the area to observe what is happening. BearVault is obtaining several of the canisters from the incidents in this area in an effort to determine the cause of the failures.

    We will keep you posted as we learn more.

    Thanks!

    Craig Delger
    ProLite GEAR

    #1340817
    Ron Stoecklein
    BPL Member

    @rs7trout

    I guess first of all is this warning for real?

    after that–

    Getting ready for a trip—Any idea where this specific area is?

    With a bear vault the only way I can imagine that a bear got in is that it learned how to turn the lid and then press in and turn at the stop point–
    and a bearicade seems like it would even be harder to get into!

    Being that they are tested with a Griz thats a lot bigger than the black bears of the sierras–hard to imagine that they bit through.

    just curious if you might know exactly how the bear got in? If in fact the post is for real.

    #1340818
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    I actually recieved a email warning from Pro Lite Gear today stating the problems that have occured. So yeah, the warning seems to be real unfortunately.

    #1340819
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    Seems to me that if you don’t screw on the lid properly, the lid overlaps the little lip on the cannister and it won’t screw on properly. If someone was not too well versed with the cannister or in a hurry they might end up doing this. I did one night in SEKI and fortunately nothing happened at Charlotte lake.

    #1341875
    Kevin Sawchuk
    BPL Member

    @ksawchuk

    Locale: Northern California

    The specific area is the region around Vidette Meadows (on Bubb’s Creek). The bear sits/stands on them sideways and the lids pop off!

    #1341878
    paul johnson
    Member

    @pj

    Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest

    Kevin,

    thanks for the update. in a sense, you gotta’ love that clever critter. wonder how many other bears have learned by watching? too bad it may be a problem bear now that will need to be relocated. correct me if i’m wrong here, but isn’t that the first step taken with a bear like this? was the lid on properly? how heavy a bear was it?

    #1341879
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    Relocation, then if he/she comes back possibley euthanized. I heard that the lip was not being threaded properly and thus the cannister was free to open. I too have done that and now make sure that I have tightened it properly. That is one smart bear. Funny, I have been in that area now twice (Vidette Meadow, and Charlotte Lake) and I have never seen a bear. Have heard though that they can be quite agressive there.

    #1341880
    David Bonn
    Member

    @david_bonn

    Locale: North Cascades

    Usually they have to kill bears once they get a taste for human’s food.

    Relocated bears have covered several hundred miles to return to their original ranges. In the best case, this might just move the bear problem along with the problem bear. Not really an improvement.

    At least in the lower 48, there aren’t a lot of places where you can put a bear where it won’t end up interacting with people at least sometimes.

    #1341885
    paul johnson
    Member

    @pj

    Locale: LazyBoy in my Den - miss the forest

    Ken and David,

    many thanks for the swift replies & the excellent info. thanks again for educating me. take care.

    #1342141
    P. Todd Foster
    Member

    @ptoddfaol-com

    I use Bearikade after experiencing Ursack failure when that was legal in Sierra NP.

    Info on recent Bearikade and Bear Keg problem is that failure was due to “user error.” Not specific, must be lid not latched. The “Bear Tech” stationed in King’s Cyn checks out these problems first hand. I assume he’s the ultimate source here.

    On the Bearvault failures, bear has learned to sit on container lying on it’s side, popping off the lid.

    Check these out:

    http://www.sierrawildbear.gov/foodstorage/approvedcontainers.htm

    http://www.wild-ideas.net/news/news.html

    Best, Todd in CC.

    #1342143
    P. Todd Foster
    Member

    @ptoddfaol-com

    Ken,

    Yes there are several excellent loops in Sierra that can be done bear box to bear box. The loop from Crescent Meadow on the High Sierra Trail down Big Arroyo, returning via Black Rock Pass to Bear Paw Meadow is a great example.
    (Cell phones work from BR Pass for mid-hike check in if that’s important to you.)

    Rule used to be that if you list your campsites on permit and they are a day’s hike apart with bearbox, you’re OK. You show this to ranger checking for bear cans on trail. Always confirm current year’s rules, of course.

    Best, Todd in CC.

    #1342164
    AK Hiker
    Member

    @akhiker

    Bear relocation (of bears that are into garbage/get ahold of human food) is very hard, even in a state like Alaska. Bears that have been in refuge areas and relocated have travelled hundreds of miles to return to the source of food. Bears are extremly smart and have an excellent memory.

    Depending on the case, the bear is relocated (in AK) and tagged. The bear gets at least one chance before it is euthanized.

    My experience has been prevention. Until I know some of the lighter bear cans work, I will not use them. For me, a heavier bear canister that works, is worth every extra pound(s). I do ultralight, but it isn’t worth the weight to go real light with something that doesn’t work and could
    force biologists to relocate a bear. We definitely leave a trace and change the habitat for bears when we get them relocated.

    #1342166
    Ken Helwig
    BPL Member

    @kennyhel77

    Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA

    Todd, thanks for the heads up. That sounds like a great idea, and I will give that a shot during my next SEKI trip.

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