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    Alex H
    BPL Member

    @abhitt

    Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW

    In case anyone is planning a trip this fall or winter and as hard as it is to believe they are now requiring Bear canisters in Big Bend with a bear population of less than 30 in nearly a million acres.

    It is not published anywhere on the park website or in any materials but it is in the new 2014 Superintendents Compendium. Not only do you have to carry a bear can in the lower desert (there are food lockers in the mountain campsites) but if you cache food and/or water you it also has to be in bear canisters.

    I am pretty sure that there are no places to rent a bear can near the park (or in Texas period) so you will have to go prepared.

    #2128423
    Luke Schmidt
    BPL Member

    @cameron

    Locale: Alaska

    Since the Ursack is approved by IGBC it should be okay for now. They said they are developing a list so they may or may not approve the Ursack in the final rules.

    Major bummer since you already have to haul in water.

    #2128425
    Mary D
    BPL Member

    @hikinggranny

    Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge

    Note that the only Ursack model approved is the 2014 version of the S29 model. You might want to take a copy of the receipt with you to prove that yours isn't an older, unapproved model.

    #2128427
    Paul Magnanti
    BPL Member

    @paulmags

    Locale: Colorado Plateau

    Dumb question, but were there any bear incidents in Big Bend? In other words, what was the catalyst for this new reg? Or is it just simply that there are a handful of bears present?

    If so, wonder if other NPS units will follow suit.

    #2128440
    Bob Gross
    BPL Member

    @b-g-2-2

    Locale: Silicon Valley

    I can't say about Big Bend.

    About 15 years ago, Yosemite had been having lots of bear problems. One theory was that NPS was looking for a solution, and that Garcia Machine of Visalia came up with such a solution. The other theory was that somebody at NPS had a buddy in Visalia, so the problem was created to meet the solution. We'll never know.

    –B.G.–

    #2128449
    Michael Gunderloy
    BPL Member

    @ffmike

    Isn't Big Bend where those "rock climbing bears" were videotaped this past spring? Maybe that put someone in the OMG BEARZ headspace and they had to Do Something.

    #2128537
    Alex H
    BPL Member

    @abhitt

    Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW

    Mike- you are correct that is where the canyon wall climbing bears video was from.

    Paul- the only bear encounters that I know of have been in the mountains and at the roadside campsites where there are either food lockers or hard sided vehicles to store food in and maybe lazier campers have not done a good job.

    This has been a slowly escalating issue. Bears were hunted out of the area pre-park and then returned after 40 plus years, coming from Mexico, in the late 1980's. They immediately installed bear proof trash cans etc. to keep the bears from becoming habituated to human food. They are mainly in the mountains above 5000' but do move through the lower foothills between the Chisos and Mexico.

    We think that it is total overkill for a handful of bears but then it is a totally different environment from the Sierra and Rockies because in Big Bend both food and water are in short supply. Saguaro has kind of similar requirements but I don't know how long they have had them.

    There are also additional/different tensions with LE rangers than in other parks because of all the border issues. Sometimes it seems like the LE rangers and Border Patrol have more say in how the park is run than the traditional park service staff.

    I have been going to the park for over 40 years and never had any kind of critter issue with food or anything else but I also appreciate trying to keep the bears un-habituated to human food as it is a fresh start so to speak.

    It also seems to be the trend that the immediate NPS or FS knee jerk reaction is bear cans like the recent thread on Maroon Bells and bears.

    As Luke says, it is an additional load to an already water heavy pack in the desert and cost/hassle if you also need bear cans to cache water for longer cross country trips.

    Sigh.

    #2128539
    Luke Schmidt
    BPL Member

    @cameron

    Locale: Alaska

    I think I remember seeing canisters at an REI in Dallas. A lot of Texas go up to Colorado so the stores stock mountain type stuff. Still I wouldn't count on it. I'm thinking I'll try to get out there over Thanksgiving and try to do a big trip before someone decides my Ursack isn't good enough.

    Alex – What border issues? I thought Big Bend was isolated enough to miss most of the craziness.

    #2128556
    Paul Magnanti
    BPL Member

    @paulmags

    Locale: Colorado Plateau

    "It also seems to be the trend that the immediate NPS or FS knee jerk reaction is bear cans like the recent thread on Maroon Bells and bears."

    Thanks for your thoughts. Your sentence above was what I was afraid of…

    OMG BEARS!

    A lot easier to say "TAKE A CANISTER" and be done with it I suppose.

    Sigh is right. :(

    #2128573
    Alex H
    BPL Member

    @abhitt

    Locale: southern appalachians or desert SW

    Austin Kayak sells them as well, but I don't think anyone rents them but maybe REI will.

    Big Bend is very safe and very isolated but that didn't stop them from posting a lot of Border Patrol there and the NPS hiring a lot of additional Law Enforcement (LE) rangers who really don't have much to do but Homeland Security money is paying for them. There are something like 35 LE rangers for a monthly visitation average of 25,000. Increasing reports of overzealous and bored LE rangers in traffic stops and such. They are also the ones who are responsible for making sure you have a bear canister or not or at least enforcing the rules. It is those kinds of tensions I was referring to.

    They have been trying to enforce bear can rules over the last several years even though it was not a written rule anywhere, now they have at least made it official but again only found in the Superintendents Compendium, published no where on their website or other materials.

    They probably will not approve the Ursack in their final list because they do not want anything tied to plants (bear hangs and hammocks are not allowed)

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