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Damien Tougas BPL Member
PostedAug 31, 2007 at 12:16 pm

I am trying to plan out gear purchases so that I can prepare my family for a future of backpacking. Everyone in the family is on-board which is great, the problem is that we are a rather large group – we have three kids and that makes a total of 5 people.

It seems as though most light-weight tents top-out at 4 people. Beyond that you are looking at stuff that is very heavy, or having to carry more than one shelter which also becomes heavy. Perhaps you guys can help me out, I will outline my desires, followed by my insecurities/inexperience:

– I would love to just use a single shelter for all 5 people, but would consider using 2 if I have to.
– I would like the shelter to be capable of four season use so that we could go out in the winter.
– I would like the shelter to be comfortable for car camping as well.
– The shelter would need to be highly bug resistant.
– It would be really nice to be able to either cook in the shelter or in a vestibule if the weather is nasty. (I guess an alternative would be to bring a small tarp for outdoor cooking as well).
– I would like durability. I don't want something so light that it will only last a couple of years.

Insecurities:

– I have no experience with floorless shelters. I have concerns about getting stuff wet, especially when car camping on a hard dirt site.
– I have no experience in dealing with condensation issues in single wall shelters. I would hate for my kids to get all wet and cold.

So, based on that, I am thinking that one or two hex/pyramid type shelters might be the best (Golite, BD, Oware, etc.). However I am not comfortable with the floorless design, bug, and condensation issues. I know that the Golite and BD have internal bug nets with floors. The problem is that once you add all of that extra weight, you might as well be looking at standard double wall tents. Perhaps I am wrong and you guys can set me straight on that…

Perhaps I am looking for the holy grail. Any experience and advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

PostedAug 31, 2007 at 12:43 pm

Hilleberg Stalon. This tent was invented for you! Of course, it would help if you have a lot of equity built up in your house for that 2nd mortgage you will need.

Hilliberg Stalon "modular tent"

You basically buy as many modules as you need and stack them side-by-side. They make modules in both 2 person and 4 person sizes and you can mix & match. So, you could use one four person and one two person module for a capacity of six. You can also add an internal vestibule to cook in as pictured below.

Hilleberg Stalon modules separated by an vestibule

Come to think of it, you could get all your relatives to buy one of these and hold a family reunion that could stretch across an entire national park!

http://www.hilleberg.com

Damien Tougas BPL Member
PostedAug 31, 2007 at 1:29 pm

I saw that, but man those are heavy. To be able to sleep 5, I would need the 4 man part (8 lbs 13 oz), the 2 man part (7 lbs 1 oz) and the roof extension between them (1 lbs 12 oz) for a grand total of 17 lbs 10 oz! I could go ligher with a Nammatj 2 (5 lbs 8 oz) and a Nammatj 3 (5 lbs 12oz) for a total of 11 lbs 4oz which is better. Or, the Nallo 2 (4 lbs 3 oz) and the Nallo 3 (4 lbs 10 oz) for a total of 8 lbs 13 oz.

I have been considering this as an option, but that is some pretty expensive gear. I would like to exhaust all possible options before I decide to put that much cash down.

PostedAug 31, 2007 at 3:24 pm

sigh… after my own years of research on this very same subject, tipi/cone shelters are really the only option. they are the only way you can really have a light shelter for that many people.

where do you do most of your backpacking? admittedly i am in the (very, very) dry southwest, but even those times i have had condensation it has never been a deal breaker for me. it's the price i gladly pay for a shelter that light. in wet times (i seem to recall we used to have those times), and even in dry times, we just carry a simple ground sheet – well, two ground sheets. one for each side of the pole.

the Titanium Goat tipis can have mosquito netting added. the TiGoats are really fine shelters and if you can get over the price (Made in the US of A) they are a great choice.

PostedAug 31, 2007 at 4:35 pm

From a practical side, I agree that the tee-pee shelters are great. I have a Golite Hex 3. Granted, it's for only my wife and me but a child would fit in comfortably. It is a great lightweight 4 season shelter. Pryamids don't have vestibules though. You can buy a floor for the Hex. I have one that I use when expecting wet conditions. It is very heavy duty but not so light. I sewed velco all around the bottom to attach bug netting as necessary. Black Diamond also makes a variety of very lightweight pyramids also.

Hex3 29.5 oz, Hex Floor 25.6 oz on my scale.

PostedAug 31, 2007 at 6:04 pm

I have 3 kids, and we take a 4/5 night trip each summer. We also do a fair bit of car camping. I was unable to find a "happy medium" shelter that worked for both purposes.

Our backpacking set up is two shelters: (1) a GG tarp (about 10 oz) and (2) a Oware 9×9 pyramid (26 oz), when expecting rain, or a homemade catenary tarp (16 oz), when not expecting rain. This is a light comfortable solution for us. We will carry 2 polycro ground sheets on the chance the ground is wet.

Oware also sells an 11×11 pyramid that weighs something like 46 oz and will sleep 5 adults. I was tempted by this tarp, but decided two tarps gave me more flexibility.

When we car camp, we borrow my brother's canvas springbar! This fits us all and is HUGE unpacked and packed.

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